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  • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
    Emotionalistic outrage is all they’ve got, they don’t have a rational argument to present, other than the one they know we won’t accept. Namely that from the moment of conception a zygote is an ensouled "child of God" and therefore sacred.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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    • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
      Absurd over-the-top emotionalistic outrage is the only card in the anti-abortionist arsenal so they have to play it again and again and again, instead of any kind of reasonable or rational discussion.
      You've been schooled on this more times than I can count, Starfruit. Your position on abortion loses on basic biology, medical ethics, and every other rational field. Your side is the one proffering emotional sensationalism as the backbone of your arguments for the destruction of the unborn.
      That's what
      - She

      Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
      - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

      I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
      - Stephen R. Donaldson

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      • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
        Emotionalistic outrage is all they’ve got, they don’t have a rational argument to present, other than the one they know we won’t accept. Namely that from the moment of conception a zygote is an ensouled "child of God" and therefore sacred. Hence they resort to one of their favourite pastimes, i.e. heaping “guilt” on the “wicked”.
        Ironic moron is ironic. All your side has is emotionalism. We have biology, and specifically embryology, supporting our claims. You have nothing except convenience.
        That's what
        - She

        Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
        - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

        I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
        - Stephen R. Donaldson

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        • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
          The 193 sovereign member states of the United Nations and the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights..



          But they didn’t.
          But what if they did? The ICOJ would be run by Nazis.

          If that were the case would the morals put forward by the Nazi ICOJ actually be "good" or would they be "evil?" (you know, things like "it is good to destroy jews and other races because they are inferior")

          And remember, YOU are one of the ones that says that morality is subjective and not objective and is just something society agrees on.

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          • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
            Emotionalistic outrage is all they’ve got, they don’t have a rational argument to present, other than the one they know we won’t accept. Namely that from the moment of conception a zygote is an ensouled "child of God" and therefore sacred. Hence they resort to one of their favourite pastimes, i.e. heaping “guilt” on the “wicked”.
            Except I cannot remember even once in the last several years when a Christian has even brought up a soul as an argument against abortion, even once. This is a strawman you keep dragging out and burning and nobody has even used it. Your arguments FOR abortion are so pathetic that you have to actually invent an argument that nobody has used in order to try to salvage even shred of self-respect. That's so sad, Tassman.

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            • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
              The 193 sovereign member states of the United Nations and the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights..
              I am so glad that we in the Sovereign United States of America are not under under that corrupt authority.
              Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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              • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                Emotionalistic outrage is all they’ve got, they don’t have a rational argument to present, other than the one they know we won’t accept. Namely that from the moment of conception a zygote is an ensouled "child of God" and therefore sacred. Hence they resort to one of their favourite pastimes, i.e. heaping “guilt” on the “wicked”.
                I have yet to see any support for the phony ensoulment argument. The anti abortion argument is based on biology and ethics, and as Bill has so clearly pointed out, " All your side has is emotionalism. We have biology, and specifically embryology, supporting our claims. You have nothing except convenience. " Science is on our side and feelings are on yours.
                Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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                • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                  The 193 sovereign member states of the United Nations and the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights..
                  Which many of these nations ignore and the UN does absolutely nothing about it. Sorry Tazzy Wazzy, but the UN is a worthless organization that does nothing useful and violates its principles on a nearly daily bases. Get a better secular hero for your cause.
                  "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                  GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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                  • Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                    You've been schooled on this more times than I can count, Starfruit. Your position on abortion loses on basic biology, medical ethics, and every other rational field. Your side is the one proffering emotional sensationalism as the backbone of your arguments for the destruction of the unborn.

                    The anti-science crowd pretending that science supports their views gives me a good laugh.
                    "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                    "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                    "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                    • Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
                      I am so glad that we in the Sovereign United States of America are not under under that corrupt authority.
                      So you prefer the corrupt Trump/Putin authority do you?

                      Originally posted by Starlight View Post

                      The anti-science crowd pretending that science supports their views gives me a good laugh.
                      Come now. Don't you realise that you've been "schooled" by BtC?
                      Last edited by Tassman; 03-24-2017, 08:35 PM.
                      “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                      • Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
                        I have yet to see any support for the phony ensoulment argument.
                        I've seen this argument on TWeb threads. Regardless, the great majority of those opposing abortion are the Evangelicals and the Catholics, which suggests that opposition to abortion is on religious grounds, not biological grounds.

                        The anti abortion argument is based on biology and ethics, and as Bill has so clearly pointed out, " All your side has is emotionalism. We have biology, and specifically embryology, supporting our claims.
                        No one disagree about the biology. It’s the significance of each stage of development that’s under question. Your lot believes that an insensate fetus without a functioning brain should be accorded full human rights and protections, whereas the majority of people believe that such rights are not warranted until the fetus is viable

                        You have nothing except convenience.
                        No, what we have is the woman’s right to choose rather than being dictated to by religious Nazis. And your judgementalism re women's motives is noted.

                        Science is on our side and feelings are on yours.
                        The continual ranting about the “murder on millions of innocent babies” sounds like hysterical emotionalism to me.
                        “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                        • Originally posted by seer View Post
                          why not just declare yourself morally perfect?
                          For the same reason I don't believe in God. I don't have a good reason to.

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                          • Originally posted by seer View Post
                            though I do believe that the teachings of Christ are superior - don't you?
                            I claim no knowledge of his actual teachings.

                            Of the many teachings attributed to him by the gospel authors, I agree with some and disagree with others.

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                            • Originally posted by seer View Post
                              but I'm trying to get at the reasoning behind their beliefs.
                              That will vary a great deal from one atheist to another. Unlike Christians, we don't all claim to get our ethics from the same source.

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                              • Originally posted by seer View Post
                                it is not about 'interpretation' but the actual denial of what the text says.
                                That seems to be what they all say.

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