Are You A Good Man....

[Doug Shaver]

If they hold to Scripture at face value, we will be on the same page

A church I once belonged to held to Scripture at face value, and according to that church, every current member of this forum is going to burn in hell unless (which is improbable) they happen to belong to that church.

[lilpixieofterror]

The anti-science crowd pretending that science supports their views gives me a good laugh.

Nice ad hominem fallacy there, but I haven't seen you nor Tazzy Wazzy present a single scientific argument for your pro baby killing belief, so let's start with some science:

At the moment of conception, what is created?
During the embryonic stage, is that exactly how a human is supposed to act and look?
At what point is personhood bestowed upon someone and why?

Do try to produce some scientific answers there or just keep dodging the fact that you're a psychopathic monster that should never be allowed around small children.

[seer]

A church I once belonged to held to Scripture at face value, and according to that church, every current member of this forum is going to burn in hell unless (which is improbable) they happen to belong to that church.

I would be happy to debate any of them or you concerning the doctrines in question.

[seer]

For the same reason I don't believe in God. I don't have a good reason to.

That is the point, why not? What standard are you comparing your behavior to that prevents this? You personal lights? The Culture?

[37818]

A church I once belonged to held to Scripture at face value, and according to that church, every current member of this forum is going to burn in hell unless (which is improbable) they happen to belong to that church.

Why do they believe that?

[Tassman]

That will vary a great deal from one atheist to another. Unlike Christians, we don't all claim to get our ethics from the same source.

...despite Christians being unable to agree just what those ethics are.

[Jedidiah]

A church I once belonged to held to Scripture at face value, and according to that church, every current member of this forum is going to burn in hell unless (which is improbable) they happen to belong to that church.

That is not, as I read Scripture, taking it at face value.

[Doug Shaver]

That is not, as I read Scripture, taking it at face value.

Obviously. But it is, as they read Scripture, taking it at face value.

[Doug Shaver]

Why do they believe that?

The bottom line is, that is what they understand the Bible to be saying, taking it at face value. Some of their proof texts are presented here: http://www.upci.org/about/our-beliefs.

[Doug Shaver]

I would be happy to debate any of them or you concerning the doctrines in question.

Some of them have a forum here where you would apparently be welcome: http://forums.delphiforums.com/Pentecostals.

I would probably enjoy the intellectual calisthenics of trying to defend their interpretation of Scripture, but I'm disinclined right now to spend the time it would take. My true opinion these days is that because of the Bible's inconsistencies, their position is as defensible as anyone else's.

[seer]

Some of them have a forum here where you would apparently be welcome: http://forums.delphiforums.com/Pentecostals.

I would probably enjoy the intellectual calisthenics of trying to defend their interpretation of Scripture, but I'm disinclined right now to spend the time it would take. My true opinion these days is that because of the Bible's inconsistencies, their position is as defensible as anyone else's.

Yes, I was with a Oneness Church back in the 90s, and no their position is not defensible.

[Bill the Cat]

The anti-science crowd pretending that science supports their views gives me a good laugh.

That's right, missy. Dodge the clear facts and try to deflect. That's all you have.

[Bill the Cat]

Come now. Don't you realise that you've been "schooled" by BtC?

Of course he doesn't. That would require integrity.

[Tassman]

Of course he doesn't. That would require integrity.

Meaning that Star recognises "you're right" and he's wrong??? Is that what you mean by integrity??

The bottom line is a difference of opinion. You want to exalt the zygote as deserving of full human rights and protections, whereas the majority of people believe that it's not until fetal viability that such protections apply.

[Doug Shaver]

and no their position is not defensible.

It contradicts the historical orthodoxy. Orthodox Christians, like every other sect (religious, political, or whatever), think theirs is the only defensible position.