Counterfeits.

[37818]

. . . There's no good reason to think this collection of myths and folk-tales is "inspired by God".

A few issues. Myths and folk tales is another topic. The New Testament gospel accounts contains some confirmable historical elements, such as the Jewish passover (Mark 14:12; Exodus 12:6, 18; Numbers 28:16-).
And the various Christian groups and with contradictory claims, which in effect alleges their counter parts are counterfeits. Which out number all the other religions.

Claims being made to be true Christianity. Why the greater demand over other faith claims?

[Yttrium]

Now answer me this: Humans have been on this planet at least 200,000 years and probably longer. In all that time, only for the last 2700-2800 years has there been a religious order that worships the Yahweh god. So for greater than 98% of human history, Yahweh, if he exists, had never made himself known. That by the way conflicts with what the Pentateuch claims which is that God was known from the beginning.

I feel obligated to point out that you can't really know this for sure, lacking sufficient ancient documentation. However, I'd be interested in seeing any literature from that first 100,000 years that implies your conclusion.

[Tassman]

A few issues. Myths and folk tales is another topic. The New Testament gospel accounts contains some confirmable historical elements, such as the Jewish passover (Mark 14:12; Exodus 12:6, 18; Numbers 28:16-).
And the various Christian groups and with contradictory claims, which in effect alleges their counter parts are counterfeits. Which out number all the other religions.

Claims being made to be true Christianity. Why the greater demand over other faith claims?

The majority of contemporary historians accept many of the historical events in the Jesus story, but they do not accept the miraculous elements of it.

[Doug Shaver]

Anything said to counter what you consider an inconsistency, you can dismiss on grounds that it is an interpretation made with the intent to make it consistent.

And you, in turn, can attempt to demonstrate that my argument to this conclusion lacks cogency.

[37818]

The majority of contemporary historians accept many of the historical events in the Jesus story, but they do not accept the miraculous elements of it.

Yes, and I dare say, those same unbelieving historians also do not believe in the resurrection account of Jesus of Nazareth. That the claim of the resurrection being the chief evidence that the gospel account is true.

Again, only what is deemed to be of value is counterfeited. And Christianity does have more counterfeits than other religious faith belief systems.

[37818]

. . . Yahweh, if he exists, had never made himself known. That by the way conflicts with what the Pentateuch claims which is that God was known from the beginning.

BTW, the Pentateuch and its claims is the evidence that Yahweh [the Self Existent One] has made Himself known. And the Christian New Testament documents its claims are evidence that He today makes Himself known.

". . . If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. . . ." -- 1 John 5:9.

[Sparko]

Certainly it is an interesting reflection of the culture of the times and contains much beauty.



This is where you come unstuck. There's no good reason to think this collection of myths and folk-tales is "inspired by God".

Lots of good reasons. Not that you would accept them as good. But apparently billions of people have for thousands of years. But hey, you are smarter than billions of people right?

[Sparko]

Some people have interpreted it so as to make its message consistent.

Many people way more familiar with the cultures and languages than either your or me have read it very differently than you. Shall I just take your word for it that they are misreading it?

People have agendas. You should take the opinions of outliers with a grain of salt. Most who are more familiar with the cultures and languages than I, I am in agreement with.

Because they dare to disagree with you?

Wel, yeah. duh.

[Tassman]

Lots of good reasons. Not that you would accept them as good. But apparently billions of people have for thousands of years. But hey, you are smarter than billions of people right?

Billions of people for thousands of years believed that the Earth was flat. But hey, we're "smarter than billions of people right"?

[Sparko]

Billions of people for thousands of years believed that the Earth was flat. But hey, we're "smarter than billions of people right"?

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[37818]

Billions of people for thousands of years believed that the Earth was flat. But hey, we're "smarter than billions of people right"?

Can you cite the earliest reference stating the belief that the earth is flat?

[Tassman]

Can you cite the earliest reference stating the belief that the earth is flat?

"The flat Earth model is an archaic conception of the Earth's shape as a plane or disk. Many ancient cultures subscribed to a flat Earth cosmography, including Greece until the classical period, the Bronze Age and Iron Age civilizations of the Near East until the Hellenistic period, India until the Gupta period (early centuries AD), and China until the 17th century. That paradigm was also typically held in the aboriginal cultures of the Americas, and the notion of a flat Earth domed by the firmament in the shape of an inverted bowl was common in pre-scientific societies". - Cited Wiki.

[rogue06]

Us humans can fight over even very clear issues.

We do indeed have a knack for twisting virtually anything into what we want it to mean

[Sparko]

"The flat Earth model is an archaic conception of the Earth's shape as a plane or disk. Many ancient cultures subscribed to a flat Earth cosmography, including Greece until the classical period, the Bronze Age and Iron Age civilizations of the Near East until the Hellenistic period, India until the Gupta period (early centuries AD), and China until the 17th century. That paradigm was also typically held in the aboriginal cultures of the Americas, and the notion of a flat Earth domed by the firmament in the shape of an inverted bowl was common in pre-scientific societies". - Cited Wiki.

Now look up world population growth over time and tell me "billions" of people believed in a flat earth "for thousands of years."

[Tassman]

Now look up world population growth over time and tell me "billions" of people believed in a flat earth "for thousands of years."

So you're not disputing that "The flat Earth model is an archaic conception of the Earth's shape as a plane or disk" and that "Many ancient cultures subscribed to a flat Earth". Good! Because that was the point being made.