It kinda makes me want to support it, knowing that I'd actually save more money under it and millions of old Trump supporters would lose their healthcare and die earlier. Is it moral to support a healthcare plan you know will help kill more of your political enemies even though the bill came from the president they voted for?
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It kinda makes me want to support it, knowing that I'd actually save more money under it and millions of old Trump supporters would lose their healthcare and die earlier. Is it moral to support a healthcare plan you know will help kill more of your political enemies even though the bill came from the president they voted for?Blog: Atheism and the City
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Originally posted by The Thinker View PostIs it moral to support a healthcare plan you know will help kill more of your political enemies even though the bill came from the president they voted for?
It is the same reason why I don't want government funded condoms.Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101
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Originally posted by Meh Gerbil View PostYes.
It is the same reason why I don't want government funded condoms.Blog: Atheism and the City
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Originally posted by mikewhitney View PostRegarding the Thread title ...
I didn't realize someone was going to go around killing people if we reduce the burden of an unconstitutional healthcare system.Blog: Atheism and the City
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These voters love voting against their own interests, and stripping away healthcare from themselves and others, just because they know it annoys the liberals. "Basket of deplorables" doesn't do it justice, they're just straight-out sociopaths at this point.
CBO's come out with the numbers on RepublicansDontCare in the last hour, and they reckon 14 million Americans will lose insurance in the next year, rising to 24 million Americans losing insurance over the next 10 years if the bill passes. The bill doesn't look like it will pass congress, because it doesn't kill enough people to satisfy the Republicans in congress, so many of them won't vote for it.
“We’re going to have insurance for everybody. There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. That’s not going to happen with us.” - Liar in Chief Donald J. Trump
Another cute number in the CBO report:
A 64 year old making ~30k will see their premium rise 700% due to changes in the subsidies. That person earning ~30k per year will now have to pay a healthcare premium of ~15k per year. Good luck to them to try and manage to afford that.Last edited by Starlight; 03-13-2017, 04:32 PM."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by The Thinker View PostBut liberals want government funded condoms. If you don't want what they want, that's not like me wanting what Trump supporters want, when they're too ignorant to know it will help kill many of them.Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostAnother cute number in the CBO report:
A 64 year old making ~30k will see their premium rise 700% due to changes in the subsidies. That person earning ~30k per year will now have to pay a healthcare premium of ~15k per year. Good luck to them to try and manage to afford that.
Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101
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Originally posted by Meh Gerbil View PostI think the better question is: Why does healthcare insurance cost this person 15K per year?"I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Everything in this thread is a great argument for getting government out of the health insurance business. Ever since Obamacare was shoved down our throats, costs have gone up, and healthcare quality has gone down. And Democrats knew it was a disaster from the beginning. That's why they rejected every proposal that would have put them on the same plan they were foisting on the American people while they kept their Cadillac health plans.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostThese voters love voting against their own interests, and stripping away healthcare from themselves and others, just because they know it annoys the liberals. "Basket of deplorables" doesn't do it justice, they're just straight-out sociopaths at this point.
CBO's come out with the numbers on RepublicansDontCare in the last hour, and they reckon 14 million Americans will lose insurance in the next year, rising to 24 million Americans losing insurance over the next 10 years if the bill passes. The bill doesn't look like it will pass congress, because it doesn't kill enough people to satisfy the Republicans in congress, so many of them won't vote for it.
“We’re going to have insurance for everybody. There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. That’s not going to happen with us.” - Liar in Chief Donald J. Trump
Another cute number in the CBO report:
A 64 year old making ~30k will see their premium rise 700% due to changes in the subsidies. That person earning ~30k per year will now have to pay a healthcare premium of ~15k per year. Good luck to them to try and manage to afford that.
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According to the Commonwealth Fund’s 2010 survey of world health systems, 32% of low-income earners in New Zealand said they did not visit a doctor in 2009 due to the fees.That's what
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostEverything in this thread is a great argument for getting government out of the health insurance business."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostWell I would say it's a great argument for getting health insurance out of the healthcare business. For the last 76 years in my country the government has simply provided all healthcare.
It works great, and it means that everyone has healthcare and going to the hospital is free.
It means nobody needs to waste their time with the health insurance companies who seem to act as some sort of much-hated middle man in the US who gets between you and your doctor, who charges you heaps of money for insurance, and then tries to avoid paying out when you need treatment.
It's nicer to never worry about health insurance, and to be able to walk in and out of hospital when you're sick without ever seeing a bill or having the stress of one.That's what
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Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
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