Nancy Pelosi....

[Da Blonde]

still with the unfounded ad hominiums when you dont' have anything to disprove a persons points that you disagree with just so you can shut your opponent up or try to. why dont' you try telling me where my points were wrong instead of showing how foolish you are




so you deny:
That the Bible calls murder a sin?
That murder is the deliberate killing of a human being?
That the only viable outcome of a human sperm and a human egg merging is another human being?
That abortion which kills a innocent human being(see the above 3 statements) is murder so there for a sin?

it is now up to you to prove.
1 the bible does not call murder a sin.
2 that deliberately killing an innocent human being is murder.
3. that when a human sperm and human egg merge the viable outcome can indeed be something other then another human being.
4. that Abortion is the deliberate killing of an innocent human being.

Now why would I want to do that? It is you making those silly assertions. You prove it.

Better yet, show me how you can convince people who believe otherwise, other than by lying or force. Abortion is going to remain safe and legal whether you want it to or not.

[RumTumTugger]

Now why would I want to do that? It is you making those silly assertions. You prove it.

Better yet, show me how you can convince people who believe otherwise, other than by lying or force.[/QUOTE]

I leave the silly assertions to you

if you believe these are just assertions then you will have no trouble debunking them will

hmm let me try and rephrase this so you understand the argument. so you and then respond to my Points.

1. According to the bible. Murder is sin do you agree or disagree. why or why not.

Exd 20:13 "You shall not murder NIV

2. Murder is the deliberate killing of an innocent human being? do you agree or disagree? why or why not.

murder.
noun
1.
Law . the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder), and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation (second-degree murder).

3. The viable result of a human sperm and a human egg us another human being. not a cat or a dog. do you agree or disagree. why or why not? do I need to go look up the biology book to prove this

4. Abortion kills a viable innocent human being (the unborn have had no chance to do anything wrong now have they.) since killing an innocent human being is murder and murder is a sin ipso facto abortion is a sin.

I've shown the prove of the 1st 2 points the 3rd is self evident to all but the most foolish trolls who don't't want to be confused by the facts, given that the 1st 3 points are correct then the logical conclusion is # 4 Abortion is sin like I said in my 4th point

The Ball is in your court Da Blonde Prove my 1st three points wrong or tell me why the 4th does not logically follow from them.

Abortion is going to remain safe and legal whether you want it to or not

Legal does not equal moral Da Blonde so this is a non sequitor.

[Da Blonde]

Better yet, show me how you can convince people who believe otherwise, other than by lying or force.

I leave the silly assertions to you

if you believe these are just assertions then you will have no trouble debunking them will

hmm let me try and rephrase this so you understand the argument. so you and then respond to my Points.

1. According to the bible. Murder is sin do you agree or disagree. why or why not.

Exd 20:13 "You shall not murder NIV

2. Murder is the deliberate killing of an innocent human being? do you agree or disagree? why or why not.

murder.
noun
1.
Law . the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder), and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation (second-degree murder).

3. The viable result of a human sperm and a human egg us another human being. not a cat or a dog. do you agree or disagree. why or why not? do I need to go look up the biology book to prove this?

4. Abortion kills a viable innocent human being (the unborn have had no chance to do anything wrong now have they.) since killing an innocent human being is murder and murder is a sin ipso facto abortion is a sin.

I've shown the prove of the 1st 2 points the 3rd is self explanatory to all but the most foolish trolls who doesn't want to be confused by the facts, given that the 1st 3 points are correct then the logical conclusion is # 4 Abortion is sin like I said in my 4th point

The Ball is in your court Da Blonde Prove my 1st three points wrong or tell me why the 4th does not logically follow from them.


Legal does not equal moral Da Blonde so this is a non sequitor.[/QUOTE]

I'm sorry ,none of your silly assertions interest me very much. This thread is about Pelosi, who's certainly the best speaker in my lifetime though Tip O'Neill was very good. Pelosi's position on choice is just icing on the cake.

[RumTumTugger]

learn to quote Da Blonde.

there I fixed it.

I leave the silly assertions to you

RumTumTugger said: if you believe these are just assertions then you will have no trouble debunking them will

hmm let me try and rephrase this so you understand the argument. so you and then respond to my Points.

1. According to the bible. Murder is sin do you agree or disagree. why or why not.

Exd 20:13 "You shall not murder NIV

2. Murder is the deliberate killing of an innocent human being? do you agree or disagree? why or why not.

murder.
noun
1.
Law . the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder), and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation (second-degree murder).

3. The viable result of a human sperm and a human egg us another human being. not a cat or a dog. do you agree or disagree. why or why not? do I need to go look up the biology book to prove this?

4. Abortion kills a viable innocent human being (the unborn have had no chance to do anything wrong now have they.) since killing an innocent human being is murder and murder is a sin ipso facto abortion is a sin.

I've shown the prove of the 1st 2 points the 3rd is self explanatory to all but the most foolish trolls who doesn't want to be confused by the facts, given that the 1st 3 points are correct then the logical conclusion is # 4 Abortion is sin like I said in my 4th point

The Ball is in your court Da Blonde Prove my 1st three points wrong or tell me why the 4th does not logically follow from them.

Legal does not equal moral Da Blonde so this is a non sequitor.

I'm sorry ,none of your silly assertions interest me very much. This thread is about Pelosi, who's certainly the best speaker in my lifetime though Tip O'Neill was very good. Pelosi's position on choice is just icing on the cake.

Translation: :bawI: can't disprove her points and they were backed up so I'd better keep hand waving it away as silly assertions so that I can obfuscate that all I have are silly assertions

As always Da Blonde you prove that you are not interested in debate or dialog you only want to be allowed to assert your viewpoint and denigrate those who disagree with you and ask you to back it up your said assertions. I now know I still don't have to take you to seriously and can just keep pointing out your foolishness.

Of course you could prove the above wrong by coming back to tell me which of these points I got wrong when I proved that contrary to your thought Pelosi has sinned.
1 Murder is a sin
2 the deliberate killing of an innocent human being is murder
3.the viable result of a human sperm merges with a human egg merging is a human being
4 given that the above 3 points are true since Abortion kills a viable innocent human being it is murder there for a sin.

So what is it Da blonde murder isn't a sin. KIlling an innocent human being isn't murder, or that the viable result of a human sperm and human egging merging isn't a human being but something else. tell me. where did I get those wrong?

[mossrose]

She's baaAAAck!

DB, I would like a list of those crimes that are not sins, and those sins that are not crimes, as you stated:

There are crimes which are not sins and sins which are not crimes

:movie:

[Da Blonde]

learn to quote Da Blonde.

there I fixed it.



Translation: :bawI: can't disprove her points and they were backed up so I'd better keep hand waving it away as silly assertions so that I can obfuscate that all I have are silly assertions

As always Da Blonde you prove that you are not interested in debate or dialog you only want to be allowed to assert your viewpoint and denigrate those who disagree with you and ask you to back it up your said assertions. I now know I still don't have to take you to seriously and can just keep pointing out your foolishness.

Of course you could prove the above wrong by coming back to tell me which of these points I got wrong when I proved that contrary to your thought Pelosi has sinned.
1 Murder is a sin
2 the deliberate killing of an innocent human being is murder
3.the viable result of a human sperm merges with a human egg merging is a human being
4 given that the above 3 points are true since Abortion kills a viable innocent human being it is murder there for a sin.

So what is it Da blonde murder isn't a sin. KIlling an innocent human being isn't murder, or that the viable result of a human sperm and human egging merging isn't a human being but something else. tell me. where did I get those wrong?

I'm sorry, I will not reply to that incoherent rambling.

[Da Blonde]

She's baaAAAck!

DB, I would like a list of those crimes that are not sins, and those sins that are not crimes, as you stated:



:movie:

It's not rocket science. I'm not going to give you an allencompassing list because, as anyone who thakes their own ethics and morality seriously knows, new circumstances arise.

But I can give you examples.

Regarding crimes that are not sins, such things as the 1970s case of the prison inmate Joan Little who shanked the guard who raped her come to mind. Committing treason against an evil regime would also apply. Being a Christian when declaring same led to execution as in the time of Nero in the Roman Empire.

Regarding sins that are not crimes, only the ones of the Ten Commandments directing to not steal and not kill, and certain forms of not bearing false witness such as would constitute perjury for example, would be both sins and crimes - but violating the others would not. Coveting, committing adultery, taking the Lord's name in vain, and so on, could reasonably be considered sins, but not crimes. Now, every now and then, some evil cabal seeks to impose theocracy, which, in theory would make such things a crime, but the imposition of theocracy would in itself be sinful, a form of a violation of the first commandment ("thou shalt have no other gods before me") in creating a powerful state as a god to exercise power and control over others.

That is not a "list" as you requested, but it does get the idea across, I would think.

[mossrose]

Regarding crimes that are not sins, such things as the 1970s case of the prison inmate Joan Little who shanked the guard who raped her come to mind.

So it's not a sin to commit murder as an act of revenge? I don't think the commandment to not murder has that qualifier attached to it.

Committing treason against an evil regime would also apply.

The phrase "evil regime" can be quite subjective. For example, I consider a government that allows abortions to be performed for whatever reason, regardless of the development of the unborn child, to be extremely evil. I also think a government who forces same-sex marriage down the throats of the population is also evil. And a government who allows divorce at the drop of a hat. Etc. ad nauseum, in finitum.

Perhaps I should consider not paying taxes anymore and fomenting a rebellion?

Regarding sins that are not crimes, only the ones of the Ten Commandments directing to not steal and not kill, and certain forms of not bearing false witness such as would constitute perjury for example, would be both sins and crimes - but violating the others would not. Coveting, committing adultery, taking the Lord's name in vain, and so on, could reasonably be considered sins, but not crimes. Now, every now and then, some evil cabal seeks to impose theocracy, which, in theory would make such things a crime, but the imposition of theocracy would in itself be sinful, a form of a violation of the first commandment ("thou shalt have no other gods before me") in creating a powerful state as a god to exercise power and control over others.

Those may not be crimes in the eyes of the law in the country in which you live, but they are still criminal acts in the eyes of the Lord and worthy of death.

And would you or would you not agree that the only opinion that matters is God's?

[RumTumTugger]

I'm sorry, I will not reply to that incoherent rambling.

Translation: there is no way I can answer this that will nto prove her point so I'd better diffuse by trying to trivialize the post.

Again DaBlonde it is rambling to only foolish bigoted trolls who do not want to respect those that disagree with them

By the way you have already agreed with my 1st point that murder is a sin. you now only have 2 points to agree or prove are wrong. let me refresh your memory by linking you to the post where I backed all my points

2 Murder is the deliberate killing of a innocent human being.
3. the viable result of the merging of a human sperm and a human Egg is a human being.
4. which will lead to the proper conclusion that since Abortion kills an innocent human being it is murder there for a sin.

No more wiggling DaBlonde with ad hominum or diffusing tactics either prove that what I've stated in points 2 and 3 are wrong or agree with them and if you agree with them tell me they do not lead to point #. Or prove to all concerned you have not changed one iota from what you were in 2005 a bigoted troll who can't stand up to those who refuse to be cowed by your non debating tactics you used to try and shut them up.

[Da Blonde]

So it's not a sin to commit murder as an act of revenge? I don't think the commandment to not murder has that qualifier attached to it.

Nevertheless, she was acquitted, and rightfully so.

The phrase "evil regime" can be quite subjective. For example, I consider a government that allows abortions to be performed for whatever reason, regardless of the development of the unborn child, to be extremely evil. I also think a government who forces same-sex marriage down the throats of the population is also evil. And a government who allows divorce at the drop of a hat. Etc. ad nauseum, in finitum.

Perhaps I should consider not paying taxes anymore and fomenting a rebellion?

You man you haven't already?

Those may not be crimes in the eyes of the law in the country in which you live, but they are still criminal acts in the eyes of the Lord and worthy of death.

And would you or would you not agree that the only opinion that matters is God's?

The Lord has nothing to do with criminal trials and sentences in the mortal arena. I do not believe we as mortals can know what is "in the eyes of the Lord" with smug certainty so speculating in that area is not of interest to me.

[Da Blonde]

Translation: there is no way I can answer this that will nto prove her point so I'd better diffuse by trying to trivialize the post.

Again DaBlonde it is rambling to only foolish bigoted trolls who do not want to respect those that disagree with them

By the way you have already agreed with my 1st point that murder is a sin. you now only have 2 points to agree or prove are wrong. let me refresh your memory by linking you to the post where I backed all my points

2 Murder is the deliberate killing of a innocent human being.
3. the viable result of the merging of a human sperm and a human Egg is a human being.
4. which will lead to the proper conclusion that since Abortion kills an innocent human being it is murder there for a sin.

No more wiggling DaBlonde with ad hominum or diffusing tactics either prove that what I've stated in points 2 and 3 are wrong or agree with them and if you agree with them tell me they do not lead to point #. Or prove to all concerned you have not changed one iota from what you were in 2005 a bigoted troll who can't stand up to those who refuse to be cowed by your non debating tactics you used to try and shut them up.

More word salad. Needs more cheese to go with the whine.

[mossrose]

The Lord has nothing to do with criminal trials and sentences in the mortal arena. I do not believe we as mortals can know what is "in the eyes of the Lord" with smug certainty so speculating in that area is not of interest to me.

Of course the Lord has to do with criminal trials and sentences in the mortal arena! Who do you think gave the commandments that our laws are based on?

And I DO claim to know what is right and wrong in the eyes of the Lord, since it is all laid out clearly for us in His word. It is the liberal Christians like you who pick and choose and interpret however you want to so your own desires are rationalized in your own brain.

You haven't changed one whit, Blondie. There is no reasoning with you, there is no logic in your thinking. And I still doubt your faith. By your fruits and your words, you are known.

[Da Blonde]

Of course the Lord has to do with criminal trials and sentences in the mortal arena! Who do you think gave the commandments that our laws are based on?

Apples and oranges.

And I DO claim to know what is right and wrong in the eyes of the Lord, since it is all laid out clearly for us in His word.

That's the hubris talking.

It is the liberal Christians like you who pick and choose and interpret however you want to so your own desires are rationalized in your own brain.

Non sequitur and projection.

You haven't changed one whit, Blondie. There is no reasoning with you, there is no logic in your thinking. And I still doubt your faith. By your fruits and your words, you are known.

LOL! What part of your "Christianity" do you use to justify that meanspirited response?

[RumTumTugger]

More word salad. Needs more cheese to go with the whine.

The only one who is into salad is you and your salad bar reading of God's word. You haven't changed a bit since you were here last.

I'm with mossrose By your fruits and your words, you are known. As an illogical bigoted troll who knows her viewpoint wont' stand up to scrutiny. I'm glad to see you are admitting that now.

[RumTumTugger]

Apples and oranges.

Nope but then again you know your viewpoint doesn't stand up to scrutiny so you will do anything you can to trivialize your opponents argument so you won't have to try and defend it.

That's the hubris talking

Nope we leave that to you. with yoru salad bar attitude to the bible.

Non sequitur and projection.

Nope we leave the non sequiturs and projections up to you. It is the truth you have a salad bar attitude towards the Bible. If you don't like what it says about your view point or life style you try to explain it away by either saying it was only mans words or that it doesn't mean what it says in the clear sense of what was written.

LOL! What part of your "Christianity" do you use to justify that meanspirited response?

Says the Pot. looking in your mirror again?