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  • #16
    Originally posted by Zymologist View Post
    I read the books like 8 years ago. Thought they were ok, I guess. I'm watching the movies now. These are just random thoughts of mine...

    Is it just me, or is suspension of disbelief impossible with the Harry Potter series? Something about it just utterly fails to click with me. Maybe it's how annoying the characters are (e.g., Harry Potter), maybe it's how dumb most of them seem to be (e.g., Harry Potter), or maybe it's how utterly helpless all these ultra-powerful wizards seem to be (e.g., Harry Potter, Voldemort).

    If the intention was to make Voldemort look scary, they failed. I think his man-rat minion is a better villain than he is. In the first two movies, Draco Malfoy looks like he's trying to impersonate Donald Trump with that hairdo. His dad is a lousy LotR elf impersonator.

    The school seems like an exceptionally dangerous place with very poor security. (For example, the troll from the first movie, the petrification in the second, the escaped prisoner and demented Nazgul wannabes in the third, Moldy's minion in the fourth, and I haven't gotten further yet.) And Albatross Dumbly (this might sound better than his actual name) does...nothing about it all, apparently? What exactly does he do at that school, anyway?

    Everyone is scared to death of Voldemort for some reason, even though he's repeatedly defeated by Harry, a prepubescent kid who's not exactly a bright candle himself.

    I watched Omelet of Fire last night, and at one point Harry said something like, "I don't know what my strengths are."

    Yeah, me neither.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
      Much as I enjoy HP and LOTR, I have zero paraphernalia from either. I do have quite a few sci-fi type items on display, but the vast majority are from my childhood hoard -- Major Matt Mason, Zeroids, etc. I was not in those days as interested in "magic" sorts of stuff, so even if, e.g., HP or LOTR fully-articulated action figures and accessories had been available, I probably would not have bothered with them.
      LOTR is a whole nother kettle of fish. I have read those books more times than I can count - I lost track somewhere in the 20s. I never have gotten tired of them or the Hobbit. The movies tend to steam me a little. They are generally okay, but too, too hollywoodized. I have watched them a couple of times but, meh . . .
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      • #18
        I have seen all 8 films, and read all 7 canonical books plus the 3 short ones. The books are not flawless, granted, but the story-telling is superb. When I have finished Deathly Hallows again, I intend to start all over again from the beginning.

        The films give a very inadequate idea of the books - the books and films really form two different canons, two different tellings of the same story. I especially regretted the loss of so much of book 5, which is the longest, and one of my favourites. JKR can tell a story, and can create memorable characters, and her powers of organisation are phenomenal: an object seen briefly in book 2, becomes very important to the plot in book 6. She does that all the time.

        Tolkien is more gifted, I think - the book of his that outshines even TLOTR is the Silmarillion. 'Amazing' barely scratches the surface.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by thewriteranon View Post
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          • #20
            Originally posted by thewriteranon View Post
            There is at least one Harry Potter related item in every single one of the rooms of my apartment aside from bathrooms and storage.
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            • #21
              I saw the first few films (I think order of phoenix was the last one), barely remember what they were about and never felt the slightest impulse to finish the entire series. It's a boring series and the cultural excrement that is a byproduct of this kind of Soylent Entertainment is omnipresent and nauseating (it's getting almost as bad as Star Wars).
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              • #22
                I enjoy the SFX in the movies, but some of my favorite scenes are little ones:

                -- The scene in "Prisoner of Azkaban" where Hermione first reveals the time-turner to Harry. He instinctively reaches for it curiously, and she just quickly slaps his hand without saying a word. That is just such a natural, "real" interaction.

                -- The scene in "Half-blood Prince," when Ron is in the infirmary after being poisoned. I love the "You daft bimbo!" and "Oh, to be young, and to feel love's keen sting."

                -- The scene in "Deathly Hallows," where Ron and Harry are sitting in the tent, Ron gives Harry the replacement wand taken from a snatcher, and Harry tests it. "Engorgio... REDUCIO!!!!"

                -- In "Half-blood Prince," the way Hermione looks at Harry when she realizes he didn't *actually* dose Ron with Liquid Luck."

                -- In "Deathly Hallows," the expression on the MoM's face when he oh-so-carefully hands Harry the snitch, Harry casually takes it from him with neither concern nor caution, and... nothing happens. The reason for he MoM's expression only becomes clear later, when they talk about the snitch having "flesh memory."
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                • #23
                  Harry Potter just developed a cult following so I swore I'd never read the books or watch the movies. My family does the same thing once in a while. Something happens that develops a cult and we just decide forget it and ignore it. Mom did it with "Friends" Dad with "Seinfeld" etc. Mine was Harry Potter. It was too in your face "you have to you should you must" so I just said forget it. Not interested.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
                    LOTR is a whole nother kettle of fish. I have read those books more times than I can count - I lost track somewhere in the 20s. I never have gotten tired of them or the Hobbit. The movies tend to steam me a little. They are generally okay, but too, too hollywoodized. I have watched them a couple of times but, meh . . .
                    The scene where the Ring is dropped in the snow and Boromir picks it up, looks longingly at it, and returns it to Frodo, is not in the book, and would probably be impossible - but it is powerful, and foreshadows book!Boromir's attempt to take the Ring.

                    The over-Arwenisation of the films was much less tactful. The Hollywood addiction to injecting hefty dollops of romance into stories ignores the mores of those stories: if romance is not prominent in a story, it is not because the author is "sexist", but because the logic of the story has no need for such fripperies. Another blemish was the turning of Legolas into a Zorro-figure - one thinks especially of those silly acrobatics with the mumak. Another, perhaps related fault, was the turning of Gimli into something unpleasantly like comedy relief: the nobility and gravitas of the character were obliterated. The loss of his speech praising the Glittering Caves of Aglarond to Legolas did not help. Gimli is a figure of substance, and the films undermine this.

                    And the loss of the Scouring of the Shire falsified the story, allowing the closing scenes to become sentimentalised: in reality, the Scouring shows that Saruman had endangered many Hobbits, and that those on the Quest were not the only ones in danger. Leaving out the Scouring contributes to the false impression that everything in the Shire was jolly, and that only the Hobbits on the Quest were touched by the evils caused by the Ring. Tolkien was under no such illusions. The evil of the Ring, by corrupting Saruman, corrupted the Shire, and only the Scouring of the Shire contained it. But to make good the material damage - the loss of life could not be undone - Galadriel's gift to Sam was needed. All this was lost, in the PJ version.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Rushing Jaws View Post
                      The scene where the Ring is dropped in the snow and Boromir picks it up, looks longingly at it, and returns it to Frodo, is not in the book, and would probably be impossible - but it is powerful, and foreshadows book!Boromir's attempt to take the Ring.

                      The over-Arwenisation of the films was much less tactful. The Hollywood addiction to injecting hefty dollops of romance into stories ignores the mores of those stories: if romance is not prominent in a story, it is not because the author is "sexist", but because the logic of the story has no need for such fripperies. Another blemish was the turning of Legolas into a Zorro-figure - one thinks especially of those silly acrobatics with the mumak. Another, perhaps related fault, was the turning of Gimli into something unpleasantly like comedy relief: the nobility and gravitas of the character were obliterated. The loss of his speech praising the Glittering Caves of Aglarond to Legolas did not help. Gimli is a figure of substance, and the films undermine this.

                      And the loss of the Scouring of the Shire falsified the story, allowing the closing scenes to become sentimentalised: in reality, the Scouring shows that Saruman had endangered many Hobbits, and that those on the Quest were not the only ones in danger. Leaving out the Scouring contributes to the false impression that everything in the Shire was jolly, and that only the Hobbits on the Quest were touched by the evils caused by the Ring. Tolkien was under no such illusions. The evil of the Ring, by corrupting Saruman, corrupted the Shire, and only the Scouring of the Shire contained it. But to make good the material damage - the loss of life could not be undone - Galadriel's gift to Sam was needed. All this was lost, in the PJ version.
                      Like I said, too hollywoodized. There were many other instances.
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                      • #26
                        Finished Deathly Hallows Part 1 last night and dear lord it was boring. The majority of the movie was Harry, Ron, and Hermione "hunting for horcruxes," which essentially boiled down to the three of them whining a bit, Harry and Hermione pissing off Ron, Hermione breaking Harry's wand, and...yeah, actually, that about sums up the movie.

                        Apparently Harry is the world's last hope against Moldy, because all of the other good wizards are just...going along with Voldemort now, or something. Harry has no idea what he's doing as "the chosen one." I feel like Rowling must have really hit a wall when writing the first half of this book, because wow...most boring camping trip ever.
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                        • #27
                          I'll say at least one good thing about the movies: Snape was really well-cast, IMO.
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                          • #28
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
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                              • #30
                                My biggest regret of the series is that Harry and Ginny didn't name one of their sons Larry at the end.
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