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    Fox News poll finds Bernie Sanders and Planned Parenthood are the most popular things

    Bernie Sanders and Planned Parenthood are the most popular things in America, Fox News finds:
    A Fox News Poll released Wednesday shows that Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), Planned Parenthood, ObamaCare, and Vice President Mike Pence are all viewed more favorably than President Trump.

    National favorability ratings (percent who approve minus percent who disapprove):
    Bernie +29
    Planned Parenthood +25
    Warren +8
    Pence +4
    Obamacare +3
    Trump -9
    Ryan -10

    Sanders for a while now has been the most popular politician nationally. As well as the most popular of all senators among their own constituents (Sanders +70, McConnell -14).

    Sanders has somewhat bizarrely spent the last couple of months doing town-halls in Trump country to crowds of Trump voters, who cheer him as he criticizes tax-cuts for the wealthy, talks about healthcare being a right and not a privilege, advocates spending a trillion dollars on infrastructure, tuition free college and university. One voter thanked Bernie for cosponsoring a bill to help out-of-work-coal-miners, and noted that Mitch McConnell who is from a coal-state had blocked Bernie's bill from getting voted on in the senate.

    Here's the full town-hall in WV if anyone wants to watch the full 47 mins:


    It's somewhat amusing that the most popular politician in the US is an atheist-Jew who's a self-proclaimed democratic socialist. It's also interesting that the various recent conservative attacks on planned parenthood (fake videos, "selling baby parts" etc) don't seem to have dampened its popularity.

    Sanders/Planned Parenthood for 2020!

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    Sanders had the same approval rating gap during the election. He didn't even make it out of the primary. A well liked loser is still a loser.

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    The above is Sanders national favorability rating among all voters. In the primary it was (mostly) only registered democrats voting (and furthermore they generally had to have registered as democrats more than 6 months earlier, so young Bernie-supporters generally were unable to vote in the primaries). Most registered democrats liked both Hillary and Sanders, and Hillary won among them in the primaries. Obviously if Sanders had gotten through the primaries he'd have flattened Trump in the general election, since in all US presidential elections for the last 30 years the candidate with the higher favorability rating has gotten more votes. Trump's national favorability rating was around -20 for much of the election cycle, while as you can see Sanders above is at +29, so it would have been the biggest landslide in modern presidential history.


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    What a stupid analysis. Clinton had a (slightly) higher favorability rating and still lost. Sanders took absolutely no heat because Hillary was scared of scaring off his crazy young millenial fanbase and spent very little time attacking him. Sanders STILL lost. Trump would have absolutely destroyed him. The neocons that were fine with Hillary and tried to kneecap Trump would be crapping their pants at the thought of that bumbling idiot at the helm. Trump would suddenly look like Reagan 2.0 to them. Open socialist didn't even play well for him in the Democratic primary, the idea that it'd play better in the general is pure fantasy. Then again, "pure fantasy" describes most of your thoughts on American policy. I mean, you're an Alex Jones on steriods grade nut who thinks DRUMPF is a russian puppet and is going to prison any day now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Executor View Post
    Clinton had a (slightly) higher favorability rating and still lost.
    She won the popular vote. Obviously national favorability is a single national measure so it can only predict the popular vote, because it doesn't include a breakdown of which states that favorability is in.

    Trump would have absolutely destroyed him.
    LOL.

    who thinks DRUMPF is a russian puppet and is going to prison any day now.
    Well Comey is apparently going to testify publicly next week on the subject, and briefed Senators privately today on the subject, so we shall see I guess.

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    Sanders for a while now has been the most popular politician nationally. As well as the most popular of all senators among their own constituents (Sanders +70, McConnell -14).

    Sanders has somewhat bizarrely spent the last couple of months doing town-halls in Trump country to crowds of Trump voters, who cheer him as he criticizes tax-cuts for the wealthy, talks about healthcare being a right and not a privilege, advocates spending a trillion dollars on infrastructure, tuition free college and university. One voter thanked Bernie for cosponsoring a bill to help out-of-work-coal-miners, and noted that Mitch McConnell who is from a coal-state had blocked Bernie's bill from getting voted on in the senate.
    People like him as a town hall meeting attendee.

    The stats also mean that Bernie and the people in the Town Hall meetings need to study the US Constitution and learn what the federal government is not allowed to do; Bernie covered it pretty well -- or, maybe it is more accurate to say, he violated it very well. "Let us do evil that good may come of it?" (Rom 3:8) Is this what the people are advocating?
    Thanks for pointing out their ignorance.

    Also, why would the audience be so duped to give money to the feds just to have it returned to the states in order to upgrade roads? That has been a big area of blindness among Americans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starlight View Post
    She won the popular vote. Obviously national favorability is a single national measure so it can only predict the popular vote, because it doesn't include a breakdown of which states that favorability is in.
    Sanders would've gained EVEN MORE hysterical California democrat votes!

    Well Comey is apparently going to testify publicly next week on the subject, and briefed Senators privately today on the subject, so we shall see I guess.
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    Morell pointed out that former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper said on Meet the Press on March 5 that he had seen no evidence of a conspiracy when he left office January 20.

    "That's a pretty strong statement by General Clapper," Morell said.

    About the dossier, Morell said, "Unless you know the sources, and unless you know how a particular source acquired a particular piece of information, you can't judge the information you just can't."

    The dossier "doesn't take you anywhere, I don't think," he said.

    He continued: "I had two questions when I first read it. One was, How did Chris talk to these sources? I have subsequently learned that he used intermediaries.

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    crazy liberal information gathering process:

    Idiot liberal: Hey guys, I got a Benjamin for anyone with dirt on DRUMPF.
    Totally reliable source: I heard he hired a couple of hookers to pee on Obama's bed.
    Idiot liberal: Sounds credible, here is your money my honest reliable source.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikewhitney View Post
    The stats also mean that Bernie and the people in the Town Hall meetings need to study the US Constitution and learn what the federal government is not allowed to do;
    Oh yeah, that's right, you have crackpot theories on healthcare being unconstitutional. Care to explain them so we can laugh at you?

    Also, why would the audience be so duped to give money to the feds just to have it returned to the states in order to upgrade roads?
    Infrastructure in general is much more than just roads. And if it's a nationwide policy, the feds may as well collect the taxes rather than the states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starlight View Post
    Oh yeah, that's right, you have crackpot theories on healthcare being unconstitutional. Care to explain them so we can laugh at you?

    Infrastructure in general is much more than just roads. And if it's a nationwide policy, the feds may as well collect the taxes rather than the states.
    The US Government is restricted specifically by Amendment X from any power (to make laws) not specifically granted them within the Constitution; do you need me to list every clause in the US Constitution and say "this doesn't grant power to make and control and health system?" I can readily understand you being ignorant on this point since you are not a direct benefactor of the protections we have from a runaway government. If you wish to laugh, I hope you at least understand the importance of having some laws to stop people from behaving badly. I could at least wish you were part of the solution rather than a promoter of illegal acts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikewhitney View Post
    The US Government is restricted specifically by Amendment X from any power (to make laws) not specifically granted them within the Constitution
    Sure but consensus opinion of both historians and judges over the years has been that that clause doesn't really need to exist as it's implicit in the idea of what the constitution does anyway, and that as long as the Feds don't go stomping all over the power of the States, it's okay. In a 1985 decision, SCOTUS implied the criteria for rejecting federal actions based on the 10th amendment would be "that [it] is destructive of state sovereignty or violative of any constitutional provision".

    Most federal actions are regarded as legal under the "commerce clause", which grants the Feds power to regulate 'commerce' between states, where commerce has historically been given a very, very, expansive interpretation by the judiciary. Obviously, something like Obamacare that sets up "healthcare marketplaces" is all about commerce. Obviously the 16th Amendment allows the Federal government to collect taxes, so they have the power to collect and spend taxes and thus can provide expanded medicaid subsidies and medicare etc.

    The part of Obamacare where the 10th amendment that you cite, was relevant, was that the Federal government wanted to offload 10% of the costs of the medicaid expansion onto the States. They don't have the constitutional power to do that by force, which is why the individual states had to voluntarily sign on to the medicaid expansion.

    do you need me to list every clause in the US Constitution and say "this doesn't grant power to make and control and health system?"
    No, but you perhaps could explain your creative theories as to why the accepted (broad) interpretation of the Commerce Clause, and also the 16th amendment, don't allow the Feds to tax people and spend that money on healthcare.

    I mean, do you think Medicare and Medicaid (around since 1966) are unconstitutional and always has been? How far does your crazy go?

    I can readily understand you being ignorant on this point since you are not a direct benefactor of the protections we have from a runaway government.

    Your government is so absurdly full of checks and balances that it operates in almost total gridlock for decades at a time, and everyone hates it as a result. It's just a badly designed system which urgently needs modernizing.

    I hope you at least understand the importance of having some laws to stop people from behaving badly. I could at least wish you were part of the solution rather than a promoter of illegal acts.
    I can understand having a few basic human rights laws as a no-infringement area for government. That makes sense. But the fact that you view providing healthcare as "behaving badly" is...

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