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  • #31
    Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    The Dutch election today showed that the far leftists are losing influence.
    Meh. These things are cyclic. It seems that every couple years either liberals or conservatives win a bunch of elections worldwide and pundits from the winning side announce that this looks like some sort of permanent trend.

    I'm always still in trouble again

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
      Yeah we finally got most of the world to abandon communism for capitalism, so now we should become communists. why not?

      Getting "free stuff" is always popular till the bill comes due. TANSTAAFL.
      He's not a communist. You'd know this if you weren't busy in Fox News talking-point mode.
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      If your whole worldview rests on a particular claim being true, you damn well better have evidence for it. You should have tons of evidence.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
        If he was a Republican this would be interesting but being a member of the party that has daily been screeching for Trump to be impeached even before he was inaugurated... not so much.
        yeah that was quite a left-handed way of saying "no we don't have any evidence"

        Gee I could say "I can't categorically deny the existence of evidence that Hillary is a russian sleeper agent."

        so there must be a possibility that it is true right?

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Meh Gerbil View Post
          I don't understand this in the context of the alleged rising populism.
          I'm not saying you're wrong; I'm only saying the two claims appear to be at odds.
          What's not to understand? Populism is getting popular, but there are two forms of it. There's right wing populism, and left wing populism. Bernie is a left wing populist. Right wing populism is alt-right ethno-nationalism.
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          • #35
            Originally posted by Sparko View Post
            Every century need a big war or two to define it.

            Actually, if it will be with and between millennials, I think it will be called World War Flee, because at the first shot they will all run away and hide in their safe spaces, then go around smashing their own property and carrying signs demanding justice.
            Machines will do most of the fighting for us. So long as millennials can click a button on a computer, we'll be safe.
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            • #36
              Originally posted by The Thinker View Post
              Machines will do most of the fighting for us. So long as millennials can click a button on a computer, we'll be safe.
              until the machines self-identify as humans and sit it out.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                Meh. These things are cyclic. It seems that every couple years either liberals or conservatives win a bunch of elections worldwide and pundits from the winning side announce that this looks like some sort of permanent trend.
                sure. But it is nice to find that some people are still aware of the destructive actions of the left.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                  The polls were generally accurate to within their margins of error in November, and Hillary won the popular vote as they were predicting. Your post seems both irrelevant to the topic and factually incorrect.

                  P.S. As you can see here, on the eve of the election, the latest national polls varied from Trump winning by 2% through to Clinton winning by 6%, and they averaged Clinton winning by 3.3%, and their margins of error were around 3%. The final results were that Clinton won by 2.1%. So the polls were out by an average of 1.2%, which isn't much.
                  One day someone is going to get curious enough to look into how Hillary got nearly a million more votes than Obama (who was much more popular than Hillary ever was) did in 2012 and even a half million more than he did when he was viewed as some sort of Obamessiah in 2008. I think this was the only state where she got more votes than Obama and she somehow got a ton more and IIRC got a higher percentage of votes than what opinion polls were indicating.

                  And note that by 10:00 EST it was looking like Trump was going to win -- while the polls were still open in California. This has always caused the supporters of the losing party to turn around and go home in every other election. But for some unknown reason this didn't seem to phase voters in California as they apparently continued to vote en masse for Hillary.

                  Oh, and as an aside, California's population in 2012 was estimated to be 38.06 million in 2012 and 37.25 million in 2016 meaning Hillary got a million more votes when the population dropped by over 750,000 people.
                  Last edited by rogue06; 03-16-2017, 03:28 PM.

                  I'm always still in trouble again

                  "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                  "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                    until the machines self-identify as humans and sit it out.
                    Or even worse, feminists!!!!
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by The Thinker View Post
                      Or even worse, feminists!!!!
                      I can't help it:

                      feminist robot.jpg
                      I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                        The Dutch election today showed that the far leftists are losing influence.
                        Eh?


                        The far-right party had one of their lowest results in a long time.

                        And the Greens did really well - Dutch Greens almost quadruple seats as pro-environment parties register big gains in Netherlands election:
                        Support for the progressive D66 and GreenLeft was way up on 2012


                        You know Bill, there's no rule that means you have to be wrong about everything you say.
                        "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                        "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                          Eh?


                          The far-right party had one of their lowest results in a long time.

                          And the Greens did really well - Dutch Greens almost quadruple seats as pro-environment parties register big gains in Netherlands election:
                          Support for the progressive D66 and GreenLeft was way up on 2012


                          You know Bill, there's no rule that means you have to be wrong about everything you say.
                          I'm just reciting what was said in a CNN article on the subject. According to the article I read earlier today, many of the Dutch traditionally center-left parties have moved center-right, and the poly science professor from one of the Dutch college that was interviewed said "the left only holds 34 of the 150 seats and no one wants to caucus with them now".

                          And it is typically you who is wrong - but you elephant hurl so much crap that it takes a full time job to fact check your biased sources and their creative charts.
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                          • #43
                            http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/16/europe...ism/index.html

                            Shift to the right
                            Though his PVV did not perform as well as expected, some say Wilders has already prompted other parties -- particularly the VVD -- to shift more to the right.


                            http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&ct=clnk&gl=us

                            Andre Krouwel, political scientist at the Free University Amsterdam, and owner of election website Kieskompas, said the only conclusion from the election result was that the Dutch were "deeply divided."

                            "It's very difficult to interpret this election result other than this is a very polarized result, people have abandoned the centrist parties but they have also abandoned the left-wing project ... the left together has 37 seats in the 150-seat parliament," he said.
                            That's what
                            - She

                            Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                            - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                            I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                            - Stephen R. Donaldson

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                              http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/16/europe...ism/index.html

                              Shift to the right
                              Though his PVV did not perform as well as expected, some say Wilders has already prompted other parties -- particularly the VVD -- to shift more to the right.
                              In my country the right supports higher immigration and the left wants lower immigration. I'm both very left-wing and very liberal, and I strongly support lowering immigration substantially. I don't agree with the person making the statement in the article that a party changing policies to support less immigration inherently constitutes a "shift more to the right".

                              The ones who want open-borders are the right-wing libertarian globalists like the Koch brothers. Neither the traditional right-wing nor the traditional left-wing tend to be inherently pro or anti immigration. There have been two different types of forces pulling parties towards immigration positions: One is xenophobia / islamophobia which has encouraged a few people on the right toward anti-immigration policies; The other is economic globalization and the economic effects of immigration which has encouraged a few people on the right towards pro-immigration policies. The first factor is dominant in the US, both factors are currently very active in Europe (which is why the traditional right-wing party in Germany is trying to take in a million immigrants to boost their economy, yet the taking of immigrants is itself fueling the alt-right), while the second factor is dominant here in NZ. Nobody here fears Muslims much and it's a very multicultural country here, so what matters to people is not the color or culture of the people immigrating, but rather the raw numbers of people immigrating and the economic effects of that.

                              Our current right-wing government here has very deliberately used a very high rate of immigration to cause house prices to sky-rocket (which makes their already-rich house-owning voters even richer), and has endlessly rubber-stamped permission for foreigners to purchase large tracts of farmland here which has caused farm prices to sky-rocket (which makes their already-rich farm-owning voters even richer), and they use the high rate of immigration to hide the economic failures of their policies because they can say that total GDP is increasing (even though GDP per person is dropping, they're importing enough people to make the total increase). So the left-wing parties have been calling for a swath of anti-immigration anti-foreign-buyers rules to try to clamp down on the negative economic effects of too much immigration and stop the housing bubble that the right-wing government is deliberately causing.
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                              "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                              • #45
                                ^Assuming that is true (a big assumption even if you were the most honest injun around, given how incompetent you are), it is a very unique situation. Just about everywhere else it is the left calling for more immigration. The Koch Brothers are not right wing, they are libertarians. Contra typical stereotypes, the average libertarian is more likely to side with the left than with the right. Libertarians are also largely irrelevant. Most corporations are run by progressive CEOs with largely progressive goals. They do tend to step on the toes of the far left, but not over immigration (even if they support it for different reasons).

                                It's also amazing that a so-called left wing country is complaining about rich, competent foreigners beating them out of their own market. Sounds like they think whites are more entitled to the riches of NZ than asians, or at least that natives are more entitled to them than foreigners. That's a solidly right wing stance.
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