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  • Psychologists: Hey, maybe we should randomly redistribute babies at birth

    This sounds exactly like something Starlight would propose:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/abolish-ge...ies-at-random/

    Would swapping children at birth help to achieve a society without prejudice?

    Imagine a world in which all the babies born each day were randomly redistributed among the biological parents. The infant assigned to any given set of parents could be white, black, Asian, Hispanic, Native American, or any combination thereof (and that’s just the US); the baby could be perfectly healthy or grossly deformed. Parents would know only that their child was not their biological child. Let us call this social mixing.

    This plan is of course politically impossible, perhaps even repellent. Our goal, however, is to engage the reader in a thought experiment, to examine why it stirs up such uncomfortable feelings.

    Is the idea so frightening? Yes it is. It is a frightening thought that your own biological child, the one sitting there now doing her homework, might have gone to an impoverished mother or a drug addict, perhaps have been beaten, perhaps starved. But why, save for genetic chauvinism, do we view with comparative equanimity the everyday reality of other people’s children subject to the same treatment by their own biological mothers?
    "Genetic chauvinism"
    "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

    There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

  • #2
    Busing babies.
    Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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    • #3
      The big problem with academia is they aren't required to live in the real world.
      I think our mental processes constantly have to touch ground or they end up in ridiculous places.
      Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101

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      • #4
        Originally posted by OP article
        This plan is of course politically impossible, perhaps even repellent. Our goal, however, is to engage the reader in a thought experiment, to examine why it stirs up such uncomfortable feelings.
        As usual the posters here fail the reading comprehension / IQ test at the words "thought experiment".
        "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
        "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
        "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
          As usual the posters here fail the reading comprehension / IQ test at the words "thought experiment".
          More like we ignore it because we know it's just a way to put forward a perverse reccomendation while giving themselves plausible deniability that they really think it's a good idea (they obviously do, it follows perverse leftist logic to a T).
          "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

          There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
            More like we ignore it because we know it's just a way to put forward a perverse reccomendation while giving themselves plausible deniability that they really think it's a good idea
            You have amazing telepathic powers... you can cut through the 'lies' because you simply 'know' what others are thinking... and these powers give you the wrong answer every single time. It's incredible.
            "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
            "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
            "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Starlight View Post
              You have amazing telepathic powers... you can cut through the 'lies' because you simply 'know' what others are thinking... and these powers give you the wrong answer every single time. It's incredible.
              "Hey guys what if we kill all the Jews, here are some great benefits of doing that... not that I'm a nazi or anything, it's just a thought experiment."
              "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

              There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
                "Hey guys what if we kill all the Jews, here are some great benefits of doing that... not that I'm a nazi or anything, it's just a thought experiment."
                Let's do a thought experiment where we examine the economic impact of reinstituting slavery.
                (Go ahead, suggest that as a researcher in a modern academic environment.)
                Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101

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                • #9
                  you know who else not only proposed a similar plan to take kids away from their parents and raise them themselves but actually did it?


                  The Nazis.


                  with not exactly the result that these psychologists envisioned.

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                  • #10
                    Didn't Australia at one time kidnap aboriginal children so they wouldn't "be raised as savages"? I don't think poor people would want their kids to be taken just because they aren't in the most ideal environment either.
                    If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by "Useful Idiot''
                      Our goal, however, is to engage the reader in a thought experiment, to examine why it stirs up such uncomfortable feelings.
                      Brave New World?. . .sounds more like Dumb New World.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                        You have amazing telepathic powers... you can cut through the 'lies' because you simply 'know' what others are thinking... and these powers give you the wrong answer every single time. It's incredible.
                        He uses the same mirror you use.
                        Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
                          Didn't Australia at one time kidnap aboriginal children so they wouldn't "be raised as savages"? I don't think poor people would want their kids to be taken just because they aren't in the most ideal environment either.
                          Something similar happened here in the U.S. in the late 19th up through the middle of the 20th cent. Native American children were removed from reservations and separated from their families and sent to government run boarding schools where they were to be "civilized." They sought to "Americanize" Native American children through forced cultural assimilation including things like forcing them to change their names. The founder of the first of these boarding schools, Col. Richard Henry Pratt, expressed this sentiment in quite stark terms:
                          "A great general has said that the only good Indian is a dead one, and that high sanction of his destruction has been an enormous factor in promoting Indian massacres. In a sense, I agree with the sentiment, but only in this: that all the Indian there is in the race should be dead. Kill the Indian in him, and save the man."

                          It was all part of a progressive attempt to "help" Native Americans.
                          Last edited by rogue06; 03-18-2017, 02:04 PM.

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                          • #14
                            I actually remember in a science fiction story I wrote, there was an alien society that, to improve society, randomly distributed all children that were born to different families, with the idea that because you didn't know who your own kid was, you wanted to try to make things as good as possible for all children in order to benefit them. It didn't go too deep into it (it was just an off-hand mention in a larger story) but I did think it was interesting.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                              Something similar happened here in the U.S. in the late 19th up through the middle of the 20th cent. Native American children were removed from reservations and separated from their families and sent to government run boarding schools where they were to be "civilized." They sought to "Americanize" Native American children through forced cultural assimilation including things like forcing them to change their names. The founder of the first of these boarding schools, Col. Richard Henry Pratt, expressed this sentiment in quite stark terms:
                              "A great general has said that the only good Indian is a dead one, and that high sanction of his destruction has been an enormous factor in promoting Indian massacres. In a sense, I agree with the sentiment, but only in this: that all the Indian there is in the race should be dead. Kill the Indian in him, and save the man."

                              It was all part of a progressive attempt to "help" Native Americans.
                              I thought of that after I had posted. You have to make opportunities for families and educate adults. Don't go kidnap their kids and put them in an orphanage!
                              If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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