Muslim myths about Christianity

[Ilah]

The redemption plan for mankind is laid-out in Genesis

What chapter/s?

Islam is garbage, as you rightly deciphered.

However, the Holy Bible can be concluded as truth based upon the testability of the physical phenomenon contained within its pages. If the physical items hold true, then this lends substantial credence to the non-physical things as likewise being true.

I disagree. Reading the texts of the ancients, to me it just seems the Bible is just rehashing the old tales, whilst adding their own stuff in the OT. In the NT it's similar.

Satan is a false god, and he has been given dominion over the earth. This was first spelled-out in Genesis and is carried into the NT in such places as John 14.30 & 2 Cor 4.4.

Chapter/s?

The Koran never claims to be divine – thus, we should not expect that it is.

It does, however, repeatedly claim that it copied the previous divinely inspired Jewish & Christian scriptures.

I looked up whether the Quran claims to be divine and not a single surah which apparently claims it's divine has the word divine in it. I do not understand how hard it is to clearly say it's divine? Does the Bible say it's a divine revelation?

Yes it does. Although, it's indirect.

[Bowman]

What chapter/s?

Chapter 3.

I disagree. Reading the texts of the ancients, to me it just seems the Bible is just rehashing the old tales, whilst adding their own stuff in the OT. In the NT it's similar.

The Holy Bible is the original.

All others are not.

Chapter/s?

1 - 3.

I looked up whether the Quran claims to be divine and not a single surah which apparently claims it's divine has the word divine in it. I do not understand how hard it is to clearly say it's divine? Does the Bible say it's a divine revelation?

Yes it does. Although, it's indirect.

The Holy Bible claims to be the word of God scores of times.

Not once in its 114 chapters does the Koran ever state that it is the word of God...because it isn't...

[Ilah]

The Holy Bible is the original.

All others are not.

Wrong. There were religious texts before the Bible. The Sumerians existed long before the Earth existed according to the Bible. In reality, the Jews merely copied the Sumerians beliefs and stole some of the Egyptians beliefs and twisted them to make themselves feel special.

The Holy Bible claims to be the word of God scores of times.

Not once in its 114 chapters does the Koran ever state that it is the word of God...because it isn't...

Wrong. The Quran does claim it, in the same fashion that the Bible does. If the Bible doesn't have the word "divine revelation" in any of its verses then it's no different than the Quran. Neither are divine revelations. Just religious people's wishful thinking.

[Bowman]

Wrong. There were religious texts before the Bible.

Show us exactly what they state in the original languages.

The Sumerians existed long before the Earth existed according to the Bible.

Verse?

In reality, the Jews merely copied the Sumerians beliefs and stole some of the Egyptians beliefs and twisted them to make themselves feel special.

Sounds like you have been googling wiki a little too much....yes?

Wrong. The Quran does claim it, in the same fashion that the Bible does.

No, it does not.

If the Bible doesn't have the word "divine revelation" in any of its verses then it's no different than the Quran. Neither are divine revelations. Just religious people's wishful thinking.

Wrong, again, brother.

Time to start studying the original languages.

[Ilah]

Show us exactly what they state in the original languages.

I do my research. You should do it too. If I could decipher what they say then don't you think I'd be somewhat famous?

Verse?

The Bible says the Earth was created in 4004 BC does it not?

Sounds like you have been googling wiki a little too much....yes?

Wrong. I have been doing research on other sites as well as looking at videos on youtube. Have you heard of Zecharia Sitchin? He's one of the people who translated the ancient texts of the Sumerians and the Egyptians.

I thought I'll give you this link. It's supposedly by a Christian. I haven't read that much of it. Let me know what you think to his view. Don't assume I agree with him, like I said I haven't read enough but it did seem somewhat interesting. I had it bookmarked. I suppose I'll also give you this site too. This one is about Muhammad. It's nothing positive.

No, it does not.

Yes, it does. Why do you believe it does not? What should it say to prove that it claims to be a divine revelation?

Wrong, again, brother.

Time to start studying the original languages.

I find that a barrier which god should have foreseen. Also, why am I wrong? You said that the only claim the Bible has of being a "divine revelation" is that it claims to be the word of god. The Quran does the same. Or are you going to say that it's a mistranslation?

[Bowman]

I do my research. You should do it too. If I could decipher what they say then don't you think I'd be somewhat famous?

If you don't even know what the text says then you cannot assert anything, brother.

Come on...

The Bible says the Earth was created in 4004 BC does it not?

No, it does not.

Looks like you have been googling Bishop Ussher...like our friend, Nick.

Wrong. I have been doing research on other sites as well as looking at videos on youtube. Have you heard of Zecharia Sitchin? He's one of the people who translated the ancient texts of the Sumerians and the Egyptians.

I thought I'll give you this link. It's supposedly by a Christian. I haven't read that much of it. Let me know what you think to his view. Don't assume I agree with him, like I said I haven't read enough but it did seem somewhat interesting. I had it bookmarked. I suppose I'll also give you this site too. This one is about Muhammad. It's nothing positive.

Nothing of any scholarly note on either website.

Both are garbage.

I have been in contact with the author of the PoD website - and he has his own agenda to grind...not scholarly backed by anything...all he does is blend the popular English renderings of the Koran and formulates his own 'special' renderings to promote his bias.

Yes, it does. Why do you believe it does not? What should it say to prove that it claims to be a divine revelation?

I find that a barrier which god should have foreseen. Also, why am I wrong? You said that the only claim the Bible has of being a "divine revelation" is that it claims to be the word of god. The Quran does the same. Or are you going to say that it's a mistranslation?

Show me one ayah that you think claims that the Koran is the word of God.

Good luck...

[Ilah]

If you don't even know what the text says then you cannot assert anything, brother.

Come on...

I use translations. Is that wrong? Also, I only discovered this information like a month ago. I plan to do more research on it and actually see what they actually believed.

No, it does not.

Looks like you have been googling Bishop Ussher...like our friend, Nick.

True, it doesn't say it explicitly but wasn't it also common belief that the Christians believed the Earth was 6000 years old or so?

I have no idea who Bishop Ussher is or Nick. I've never heard of Bishop Ussher before this. Why would I google him and not "how old is the Earth according to the Bible"?

Nothing of any scholarly note on either website.

Both are garbage.

I have been in contact with the author of the PoD website - and he has his own agenda to grind...not scholarly backed by anything...all he does is blend the popular English renderings of the Koran and formulates his own 'special' renderings to promote his bias.

I suppose I can agree on the first site but why is the second one garbage when he uses an Islamic source? He's not using the Quran, that I'm aware of. Some of the things he says the some Muslims actually accept them but not the way he does. I guess they are selective or something.

I can't argue about whether he has his own agenda but do you have any idea what it is? Is it to send people astray or that people follow him or something?

Show me one ayah that you think claims that the Koran is the word of God.

Good luck...

You show me a verse that claims that the Bible is god's word. I'll see if there is a verse similar to it in the Quran. If there isn't then, I'll agree with you that the Quran does not claim to be god's word.

[Bowman]

I use translations. Is that wrong?

If you want to use other people's renderings in lieu of your own, then you should be able to defend what they state - otherwise why use them.

Also, I only discovered this information like a month ago. I plan to do more research on it and actually see what they actually believed.

All the best on that venture...

True, it doesn't say it explicitly but wasn't it also common belief that the Christians believed the Earth was 6000 years old or so?

Circa 50% of Christians are young-earthers and 50% are old-earthers.

You cannot simply sum up Biblical generations to arrive at the age of the earth, brother.

I have no idea who Bishop Ussher is or Nick. I've never heard of Bishop Ussher before this. Why would I google him and not "how old is the Earth according to the Bible"?

People, like yourself, who glum-onto the 6K figure get this from Bishop Ussher and co. - as he was the one credited for summing the generations to arrrive at a date.

I suppose I can agree on the first site but why is the second one garbage when he uses an Islamic source? He's not using the Quran, that I'm aware of. Some of the things he says the some Muslims actually accept them but not the way he does. I guess they are selective or something.I can't argue about whether he has his own agenda but do you have any idea what it is? Is it to send people astray or that people follow him or something?

The Pod website admits to blending the popular English renderings into one that fits their paradigm.

The man behind this site has an agenda, and that agenda is little more than a smear campaign.

You show me a verse that claims that the Bible is god's word. I'll see if there is a verse similar to it in the Quran. If there isn't then, I'll agree with you that the Quran does not claim to be god's word.

And he says to me, Write: Blessed are the ones having been called to the supper of the marriage of the Lamb. And he says to me, These Words of God are true. (Rev 19.9)



And I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of Heaven from God, having been prepared as a bride, having been adorned for her Husband. And I heard a great voice out of Heaven, saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God with men! And He will tabernacle with them, and they will be His people, and God Himself will be with them as their God. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes. And death shall be no longer, nor mourning, nor outcry, nor will there be pain any more; for the first things passed away. And the One sitting on the throne said, Behold! I make all things new. And He says to me, Write, because these Words are faithful and true. (Rev 21.2 – 5)



And I, John, was the one seeing and hearing these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel showing me these things. (Rev 22.8)



The bulk of the Koranic material is taken directly from the Book of Revelation – of which, this Biblical material is clearly signed by John, as both seeing and hearing Jesus’ divine Revelation and writing it down.

John was directly inspired to write down the Words of God.



Now…

According to the followers of Islam, their “prophet Muhammad” was responsible for the written text which comprises their Koran.

If this is the case, then where in all of the Koran is anything like the following written…


“I, Muhammad, wrote this here Koran”

Or…

“I, Muhammad, dictated this here Koran”

Or…

“I, Muhammad, was inspired by an angel”

Or…

“I, Muhammad, was divinely inspired”



Fact is, the Koran never once mentions who wrote the text, or that it was divinely inspired.


Not once.


What it does claim, however, is that it merely copied and translated the previous inspired Jewish and Christian scriptures into Arabic.

[Ilah]

All the best on that venture...

Thanks.

Circa 50% of Christians are young-earthers and 50% are old-earthers.

You cannot simply sum up Biblical generations to arrive at the age of the earth, brother.

Not scientifically you can't. How old do you believe the Earth is?

People, like yourself, who glum-onto the 6K figure get this from Bishop Ussher and co. - as he was the one credited for summing the generations to arrrive at a date.

Hey if it was common belief then why have a go at me? It's not like I believe the Bible is the word of god.

The Pod website admits to blending the popular English renderings into one that fits their paradigm.

The man behind this site has an agenda, and that agenda is little more than a smear campaign.

I thought his purpose was to prove that Islam is false?

Fact is, the Koran never once mentions who wrote the text, or that it was divinely inspired.


Not once.


What it does claim, however, is that it merely copied and translated the previous inspired Jewish and Christian scriptures into Arabic.

Muhammad never wrote the Quran. He had scribes who wrote some of the verses on whatever crap they found while he was alive. His job was to say whatever Allah said as if it was Allah himself speaking. So there would be no need for him to say things like those you mentioned. The Quran was compiled by the third Caliph Uthman. He burnt the other copies so as to make it seem like there's only one Quran and it's not been changed. Using Hadiths and other Islamic sources we get the bigger picture of what actually happened during Muhammad's life time, as well as how these revelations appeared and what not.

As an example of a claim to divine revelation, Quran 26:192 "Verily this is a Revelation from the Lord of the Worlds".

[Bowman]

Not scientifically you can't. How old do you believe the Earth is?

The earth is ~4.65 Billion years old.

Hey if it was common belief then why have a go at me? It's not like I believe the Bible is the word of god.

The 6K figure is never stated in the Holy Bible.

People who propagate this figure do so out of ignorance of both scripture and science.

I thought his purpose was to prove that Islam is false?

His purpose is to garner press and to further propagate islamic lies.

Muhammad never wrote the Quran.

Correct.

He had scribes who wrote some of the verses on whatever crap they found while he was alive. His job was to say whatever Allah said as if it was Allah himself speaking. So there would be no need for him to say things like those you mentioned. The Quran was compiled by the third Caliph Uthman. He burnt the other copies so as to make it seem like there's only one Quran and it's not been changed. Using Hadiths and other Islamic sources we get the bigger picture of what actually happened during Muhammad's life time, as well as how these revelations appeared and what not.

All garbage.

As an example of a claim to divine revelation, Quran 26:192 "Verily this is a Revelation from the Lord of the Worlds".

Wrong.

وإنه لتنزيل رب العلمين

Wa-innahu latanzeelu rabbi alAAalameena

26.192 And truly He, The Revelation, the Lord of the jinn and of mankind.



Since when is 'Revelation' a 'he'....?!

[Ilah]

All garbage.

How can you say they're all garbage? Although they're Islamic sources, they actually show Islam as false.

If you don't believe them to be telling the truth then, who started Islam and wiped out the Pagan, Jews, Christian Arabs? How did it begin?

Wrong.

وإنه لتنزيل رب العلمين

Wa-innahu latanzeelu rabbi alAAalameena

26.192 And truly He, The Revelation, the Lord of the jinn and of mankind.



Since when is 'Revelation' a 'he'....?!

What source did you use to give you that translation?

[Bowman]

How can you say they're all garbage? Although they're Islamic sources, they actually show Islam as false.

If you don't believe them to be telling the truth then, who started Islam and wiped out the Pagan, Jews, Christian Arabs? How did it begin?

Any islamic source used to describe what occurred with someone named 'Muhammad' is sketchy at best and follows centuries after the supposed events.

What source did you use to give you that translation?

The rendering is mine, brother.

As mentioned before - if you want to use someone else's rendering, then you should be able to defend your decision to do so.

Are you up to it?

[Ilah]

Any islamic source used to describe what occurred with someone named 'Muhammad' is sketchy at best and follows centuries after the supposed events.

True. But like I said, Muhammad as a name was adopted by the messenger of Allah. I recall reading that he decided to call himself Muhammad and from then on it has been a quite a common name amongst Muslims. I'll have to try to find the source if it's true of course.

The rendering is mine, brother.

As mentioned before - if you want to use someone else's rendering, then you should be able to defend your decision to do so.

Are you up to it?

You understand Arabic? I have reasons to doubt the Muslim translators as they have mistranslated certain words, even the authentic translators. Yusuf Ali, whose translations I use, is no exception.

[Bowman]

True. But like I said, Muhammad as a name was adopted by the messenger of Allah. I recall reading that he decided to call himself Muhammad and from then on it has been a quite a common name amongst Muslims. I'll have to try to find the source if it's true of course.

How is this any different than millions of hispanics with the name Jesus?

You understand Arabic? I have reasons to doubt the Muslim translators as they have mistranslated certain words, even the authentic translators. Yusuf Ali, whose translations I use, is no exception.

I have been studying Arabic for the past 15 years.

I am in the process of re-rendering the Koran into the most correct and exegetically verifiable English rendering ever.

[Ilah]

How is this any different than millions of hispanics with the name Jesus?

It's different in that you say that no man existed by the name of Muhammad.

I have been studying Arabic for the past 15 years.

I am in the process of re-rendering the Koran into the most correct and exegetically verifiable English rendering ever.

Is it the Quranic Arabic?

How much have you re-rendered the Quran?