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"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostThere's a lot of anti-rich pro-poor themes in Jesus' message. He seems to be to the left of Marx in the sense that he doesn't merely think the rich are terrible, he literally thinks they are going to hell.
I think it's very difficult to judge Jesus' political views on moral issues. He hung out with prostitutes, and social outcasts. Yes there are verses that imply that they and others should change their lives, but those are not strongly emphasized.
It's hard to say, I think, how Jesus would rule today on 'moral issues' if you teleported him into the present.
Economic issues are easy. Jesus would be all for programs to help the poor, sick, needy, downtrodden etc. He'd be as lefty-left as they come.
It's actually pretty amazing that even though Jesus condemns the outcast as sinners, Starlight can't quite figure out what Jesus's stance on moral issues would be, but he knows Jesus would support leftist government programs, despite not a single one of those existing or being brought up in his time at all."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Meh Gerbil View PostI don't want to have to explain why I voted against interests in which they are totally invested."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostI agree that Jesus only specified the goal (help the less fortunate) and not the method (precisely how it should be done).Last edited by Darth Executor; 03-18-2017, 06:47 PM."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostThere's a lot of anti-rich pro-poor themes in Jesus' message. He seems to be to the left of Marx in the sense that he doesn't merely think the rich are terrible, he literally thinks they are going to hell.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostThere's a lot of anti-rich pro-poor themes in Jesus' message.
And as has been pointed out government programs are the polar opposite of what Jesus taught. You are responsible for what you do, don't try to push your responsibilities off onto some impersonal government program.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Meh Gerbil View PostAs much as I detest the mixing of religion and politics I find myself in agreement with your analysis.
The liberal antagonism for normalcy of any sort - the exaltation they offer for anything deviant and broken - puzzles me to no end.
So yeah, if he only got 80% of the evangelical vote then he failed hard.
I remember back in 1992. I voted for Jack Kemp because I read George Bush's lips.When I Survey....
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostThis is true unless of course you read what He actually said rather than what you want Him to have said.
In total, the bible has approximately 300 passages about helping the poor. By contrast it has a scant few that to touch on homosexuality, and zero that are against abortion. But because the US evangelicals are bereft of both intelligence and actual biblical knowledge, which of those subjects do they obsess about?
And as has been pointed out government programs are the polar opposite of what Jesus taught."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View Postzero that are against abortion."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Starlight View Post
Economic issues are easy. Jesus would be all for programs to help the poor, sick, needy, downtrodden etc. He'd be as lefty-left as they come.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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I suspect Jesus would be against regressive taxation schemes because the Old Testament prophets came down on excessive taxation of the poor. In practical terms, this means tax schemes that promote heavy reliance on sales taxes and excise taxes to allow for low income taxes."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Al Franken's Supply Side Jesus comic is a nice depiction of how US evangelicals' ideas of economics are completely backwards compared to the bible."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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You are quite right about the heavy focus of Jesus teaching on the topic of money. A pity you seem to have missed the point of it. His emphasis was on our responsibilities and the wickedness of self righteousness as exemplified by the Pharisees.Originally posted by Starlight View PostI read and studied what he actually said. I analyzed passages, I read commentaries, I made notes. I made pie charts of the different themes in Jesus' teaching. I wrote a book about his teachings. He taught about the poor, and rich, and money, a lot. By volume it is one of the two largest themes in his teachings as recorded in the gospels (the other being perseverance / faithfulness).
In total, the bible has approximately 300 passages about helping the poor. By contrast it has a scant few that to touch on homosexuality, and zero that are against abortion. But because the US evangelicals are bereft of both intelligence and actual biblical knowledge, which of those subjects do they obsess about?
That is totally not true, at all, in any way. It's really sad that you claim to be a "Christian" and yet don't even acknowledge some of the most basic and central teachings of Jesus. Sad! The "Christianity" of US evangelicals is so fake that it's amusing.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostI read and studied what he actually said. I analyzed passages, I read commentaries, I made notes. I made pie charts of the different themes in Jesus' teaching. I wrote a book about his teachings. He taught about the poor, and rich, and money, a lot. By volume it is one of the two largest themes in his teachings as recorded in the gospels (the other being perseverance / faithfulness).
As far as Jesus speaking more on money than any other theme, that doesn't sound accurate to me. I certainly wouldn't take your word on it. You'd have to cite a NT scholar on the subject. It's one of those things we see a lot of prosperity gospel type folks say, but from my reading, Jesus speaks far more about the Kingdom of Heaven than about finances or of perseverance, and he also talked a lot about Hell.
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostThis is true unless of course you read what He actually said rather than what you want Him to have said.
And as has been pointed out government programs are the polar opposite of what Jesus taught. You are responsible for what you do, don't try to push your responsibilities off onto some impersonal government program.
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