AIG - 12 arguments evolutionists should avoid

[rogue06]

Evolution has the curious quality of being all things to all evolution believers.

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That is true, it really is!

Says the man who has to make up his own "General Theory of Evolution" that includes things like the Big Bang and Abiogenesis in order for it to be all things that that you don't like. The biological Theory of Evolution doesn't explain how the universe formed (that's what you believe it does). The biological Theory of Evolution doesn't explain how life arose (that's what you believe it does). Please don't project your fantasies onto the rest of us.

[Jorge]

Nnnnope.

" ... it is passionately denied by the Evo-Faithful."

" ... they will vehemently deny this through their dying breath."

Thank you for helping to prove my point.

So, you're saying that Evolution has as much predictive power as Divine Creation?
Anyway, I can name a whole discipline which I believe is little more than unfalsifiable
mumbo-jumbo: Evolutionary Psychology. But that's just my opinion, of course.

In typical fashion, you miss the point. I totally agree with you that it's all a bunch of
mumbo-jumbo, cow droppings, or whatever else you wish to call it.
The point is that it is seriously proposed in "reputable journals" as "bona fide science".
That much is undeniable. And as much as you may object to 'Evolutionary Psychology',
you certainly have no objections to most of the other "evolutionary mumbo-jumbo".

So, again I must thank you for helping to prove my point.

Whatever rocks your boat, jorge. Being an atheist, the phrase "evolution is your God" is as
nonsensical to me as "evolution is your Glorxxx". But feel free to project your own insecurity to
us. Since evolution seeks to explain phenomena that, in your mind, are exclusively attributed
to intervention by your god (you know, that entity that keeps patting you on the back, telling you
you're right), you naturally assume that we are trying to dig into your field, and raise some
stone idol of Darwin to worship. The alternative- that we needn't do so, because some of
those phenomena just might be explained naturally, without Yahweh or Baal or Zeus
stepping in- does not even register in your mind. It's understandable.

Dismiss it all you want, those of us that know the score know where the truth is on
this matter. You people have indeed created your own version of 'God' and your own 'religion'.
You worship this 'God' every bit as much as we worship ours, with equal and sometimes
even greater fervor. You have your own 'religious crusades', your own 'temples' and your
own 'apostles'. Again, anyone that knows the score in this topic knows exactly what I'm
talking about.

That's good, since you're never able to finish anything.

Who in his right mind would want to finish anything with the likes of you people?

Jorge

[rogue06]

Who in his right mind would want to finish anything with the likes of you people?

Jorge

Then why do you start threads? Specifically why do you start threads asking for questions that you claim you'll address but quickly abandon?

[Faid]

" ... it is passionately denied by the Evo-Faithful."

" ... they will vehemently deny this through their dying breath."

Thank you for helping to prove my point.

Apparently, saying "nnnope" equals to "passionately and vehemently denying through my dying breath".
Talk about 'literal interpretations'...

Nope is nope, jorge. As in 'nope, you silly little man, you're amusingly wrong as usual'.

In typical fashion, you miss the point. I totally agree with you that it's all a bunch of
mumbo-jumbo, cow droppings, or whatever else you wish to call it.
The point is that it is seriously proposed in "reputable journals" as "bona fide science".
That much is undeniable. And as much as you may object to 'Evolutionary Psychology',
you certainly have no objections to most of the other "evolutionary mumbo-jumbo".

Well, jorge, perhaps that has do do with the fact that, unlike you, my criteria from distinguishing mumbo-jumbo from science is not "does it have 'evolutionary' in the name".

So, again I must thank you for helping to prove my point.

Oh right. You had a point- a point that I could not find anything that, in my mind, Evolution did not explain. How is showing you something that I believe does not fall within the explanatory power of the theory, "prove" your point? In the world of the rationally thinking people, it does the exact opposite.
Do you even keep track of your own line of thinking, jorge?

Dismiss it all you want, those of us that know the score know where the truth is on
this matter. You people have indeed created your own version of 'God' and your own 'religion'.
You worship this 'God' every bit as much as we worship ours, with equal and sometimes
even greater fervor. You have your own 'religious crusades', your own 'temples' and your
own 'apostles'. Again, anyone that knows the score in this topic knows exactly what I'm
talking about.

I'm right because I'm right, therefore I'm right. Another fine example of Jorgeian reasoning.

Like I said, jorge, whatever rocks your Ark.

Who in his right mind would want to finish anything with the likes of you people?

People with guts to match their mouths?

[magellan004]

[QUOTE=Faid;3012485]
So, you're saying that Evolution has as much predictive power as Divine Creation? [QUOTE]

Are you able to give a prediction using evolution - for example, what animal will people turn into?
(Feel free to substitute any animal for people).


Magellan

[USIncognito]

Are you able to give a prediction using evolution - for example, what animal will people turn into?
(Feel free to substitute any animal for people).

How can, after all this time of people explaining it, can you still fail to grasp the most basic, basic, Biology 101 concepts. Either you're trolling or you... well hell, I don't know what else to ask.

Humans will evolve into Homo sapiens sapiens... something new. We won't turn into plants or fungi or whales or pizza or Dodge Challengers*. It's the same way lions won't turn into Komodo dragons or eagles. They'll turn into Panthera leo... something new. It's the same way lilacs won't turn into sea urchins or frogs. They'll turn into Syringa vulgaris... something else.

Why is this so hard for Creationists to understand?


* Am I the only one who would love to buy one of the '010 ones?

[USIncognito]

Allele frequencies {in populations} change over time because of random mutations and selection forces - that's it in a nutshell.

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Mags, did you ever come up with something similarly concise for the theory of gravity?

[Philosophickle]

Are you able to give a prediction using evolution - for example, what animal will people turn into?
(Feel free to substitute any animal for people).


Magellan

That's an interesting question. Of course, the answer is no, but that is because of a lack of information. If one had a really good idea of future environmental pressures and available phenotypic traits, it's possible that one could have a better than random prediction of which traits would go into fixation.

Since we are just beginning to understand the relationship between gene and trait in any sophisticated sense, it's doubtful that any person could predict our biological future with any certainty.

[USIncognito]

Humans will evolve into Homo sapiens sapiens... something new. We won't turn into plants or fungi or whales or pizza or Dodge Challengers.

That's an interesting question. Of course, the answer is no, but that is because of a lack of information.

I hope Mags has the intellectual heft to understand that while our responses seem superficially different, we're saying the exact same thing.

[rogue06]

Are you able to give a prediction using evolution - for example, what animal will people turn into?
(Feel free to substitute any animal for people).


Magellan

The question is will we get better (at least in our terms like smarter, faster, stronger, healthier) or worse. With that in mind, may I, ahem, humbly propose Homo sapien roguen (primarily because I drew a complete blank on what sort of ending I should attach to “rogue”):

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Keep in mind I'm still working on the costume.

[magellan004]

How can, after all this time of people explaining it, can you still fail to grasp the most basic, basic, Biology 101 concepts. Either you're trolling or you... well hell, I don't know what else to ask.

Humans will evolve into Homo sapiens sapiens... something new. We won't turn into plants or fungi or whales or pizza or Dodge Challengers*. It's the same way lions won't turn into Komodo dragons or eagles. They'll turn into Panthera leo... something new. It's the same way lilacs won't turn into sea urchins or frogs. They'll turn into Syringa vulgaris... something else.

Why is this so hard for Creationists to understand?


* Am I the only one who would love to buy one of the '010 ones?

What Biology 101 concepts am I not grasping? Be exact please.

Philosophikle said that he couldn't predict what animal people will turn into. You predict that humans will turn into something they already are (homo Sapiens Sapiens) .
http://www.cartage.org.lb/en/themes/...arlyModern.htm
and
http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/...historyid=ab12.
So I am not sure how you both can be saying the same thing.

I suggest that you brandish the term 'Troll' more often. At the moment it's not screening your lack of understanding of evolution.

Any time you want some lessons in evolution let me know. I'm only too happy to help.

The issue was the predictive power of evolution (implied by Faid). That I'd like to see.


Magellan

[Philosophickle]

The issue was the predictive power of evolution (implied by Faid). That I'd like to see.

Evolution does have great predictive power, even if it can't tell us what the future of biology holds. For example, just today a doctor complained that people like me are the reason strains of viruses become immune. This was in response to me telling him that I have not been taking my strep-throat medicine. When enough people take their treatments sporadically, it means a substantial portion of the virus population is encountering an environmental change without being wiped out, thereby applying selective pressure to resistant mutations.

[Faid]

So, you're saying that Evolution has as much predictive power as Divine Creation?

Are you able to give a prediction using evolution -

Yes.

for example, what animal will people turn into?

No.

But you didn't really get what I was talking about, didya? Read jorge's post again, and then my reply.

Now, if you are interested instead in derailing the discussion into what predictive power ToE holds, then... OK, I guess that's fine too.

[pancreasman]

I have to confess I don't understand this. One can easily find scholarly articles on the predictions of evolutionary biology. Why ask about here as if it's a challenge. It's like going to a mechanic and daring him to explain how spark plugs work. For Pete's sake, do some reading yourself.

http://ncse.com/rncse/17/4/predictiv...y-eusociality-

http://www.newscientist.com/article/...redictive.html

http://chem.tufts.edu/AnswersInScience/evo_science.html

[rogue06]

The issue was the predictive power of evolution (implied by Faid). That I'd like to see.


Magellan

Take a look at my avatar m004. Its the fossilized remains of Tiktaalik. Now Google it along with "prediction." Your welcome.