AIG - 12 arguments evolutionists should avoid

[Jorge]

I daresay I speak for the vast majority of posters in NS301 in noting that with your
demonstrated level of honesty , intellectual integrity ...

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I wouldn't be surprised if your tongue fell off or burst into flames as you uttered those words.

This is waaaaayyyyy too easy ...

Jorge

[Tiggy]

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I wouldn't be surprised if your tongue fell off or burst into flames as you uttered those words.

This is waaaaayyyyy too easy ...

Jorge

What will you be doing for RATE Jorge? Are they going to put you in charge of explaining impact craters?

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[Omega Red]

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If only I had a dollar for every time that you blokes accuse me of "evasion",
I'd be able to pay off my mortgage.

Well if you decide to be honest and rewrote that for the times I called you evasive without justification, you'd have zip all.

As for your "research" nonsense, I just finished writing a paper regarding
alleged 'science', SETI and related topics. For that dull mind of yours, what
I'm saying is that you ought to apply those standards at home before you
attempt to impose them on others. To wit : "research" conducted to find
the alleged "missing link" in some remote part of Africa is as much "research"
as what you're attributing to what Baumgardner et al. do. Look in the mirror, kiddo!

Jorge

Not my research nonsense, I'm talking about the nonsense research going on at this group - try to focus your crusty mind for once. Plus your hyperimagination has failed to correctly quantify my standards yet again. This paper sounds interesting, but then so did your "ask Jorge any question" thread, where you provided some interesting gems of imaginative science. You can tell us Jorge, how has your previous work gone down at this group?

So when your membership precludes certain conclusions, how can you really call it research? I agree that if this goes on in other fields, they are just as guilty. But here we are dealing with a specific group and specific membership requirements.

[oxmixmudd]

Yawwwnnn ... any sound argument that goes against your chosen beliefs is quickly
dismissed --- you know this.

With each one of these, your nose grows longer.

Show me where I've stated this.

Once again you distort and misrepresent what others say.
You are simply not an honest individual, O-Mudd.

Sure, not problem. You stated a line of reasoning attributed to me which began with:

Anyone that believes in gigayears and evolution is 'scientifically competent'.

And I am simply saying that such a premise is absolutely unsound, and I simply do not use it, period. I was not saying YOU said that was true. I was saying YOU said that was one of MY premises, and then I showed you why you were WRONG.

God knows that I have tried to educate you on the core issues here (the word that you
mocked not too long ago). You simply refuse to submit to any truth that does not
align itself with what you have chosen to believe -- never mind the fact that what you
have chosen to believe goes against God's Word.

No - the only one refusing to submit to truth is you jorge, the truth of the fact YEC can't be supported scientifically.

You got it backbuttwards, kiddo. I remember hearing Kent Hovind say on more than
one occasion that there were many Atheists and TEs with far more knowledge of hard
science than he had and that were far smarter than he was. But, he continued, the
reason why he so often and easily won in their debates (and he did win, I have dozens
of his debates on tape to prove it) was because he was standing on scriptural Truth
while they were standing on lies and distortions. I couldn't have said it better myself.

Hovind never won any debates in the sense of establishing scientific support for YEC. What you call winning is most likely just dumping so much cow dung the opponent had no possibility of shoveling it out of the way in his allotted time. Hovind was the lowest of the low when it comes to YEC. The fact you admire him speaks so loudly about you I need to turn down the volume.

Man-o-man are you one screwed-up puppy! FYI, Baumgardner has personally invited me
to join their research organization.

Ok - I retract what I said about Baumgardner's competence ...

So much for your nonsensical "embarrassment".

You still have no clue you were their scape goat for the steam explosion hypothesis do you? Or maybe not. Maybe all of you agreed that if you posted that nonsense the AIG/ICR etc of the world could save face with plausible deniability while the could still float the idea for those ignorant enough to swallow it. Who knows.

As for the ideas that I present, just because they swoosh beyond your comprehension
does not mean that the problems are in the ideas themselves ... try a mirror.

Oh - I see. Volcanic steam explosions 'swoosh' over my head. Right. The only thing swooshing over anybody's head around here are the comets falling into the sun that you deny exist.

Distortions, misrepresentations and lies never hurt or offend me. They tick me off, but they
can't hurt me. Thus, feel free to continue spitting your venom, O-Mudd (you were going to
do so anyway but now you have my permission to do so).

Jorge

Jorge, the fact you have to resort to calling my comments 'distortions' without actually pointing out what is wrong with what I have said is telling. I can point to specific examples - you denying comets fall into the sun despite videos of it happening, or you denying stars form in spite of photograph after photograph of all stages of star formation, or you claiming meteor craters are steam explosions despite all the evidence for impacts and against your theory. I don't have to denigrate your words without examples, I just have to post examaples and let your own words speak for themselves.


Jim

[rogue06]

Curious... how can you ever call it a research organisation when you have already defined what the results will show prior to conducting any research? Surely your membership to such an organisation precludes finding anything that they don’t want you to find. Moreover, how well have they responded to your past “research”, a small sample still available at TrueOrigins?

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[rogue06]

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If only I had a dollar for every time that you blokes accuse me of "evasion",
I'd be able to pay off my mortgage.

And if you had a nickel for every time you did evade and scurried off (the infamous "Jorge Hustle") you'd have been able to purchase the place outright and still had enough to buy new cars for both you and the wife.

[pancreasman]

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As for your "research" nonsense, I just finished writing a paper regarding
alleged 'science', SETI and related topics. For that dull mind of yours, what
I'm saying is that you ought to apply those standards at home before you
attempt to impose them on others.

Jorge

Where can I read this paper? In what journal are you planning to publish?

[Tiggy]

As for your "research" nonsense, I just finished writing a paper regarding
alleged 'science', SETI and related topics. For that dull mind of yours, what
I'm saying is that you ought to apply those standards at home before you
attempt to impose them on others.

Jorge

Where can I read this paper? In what journal are you planning to publish?

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[magellan004]

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About your anti-creationist cartoon-
Doesn't being a Christian necessitate being a creationist - or am I missing something?

Magellan

[rogue06]

About your anti-creationist cartoon-
Doesn't being a Christian necessitate being a creationist - or am I missing something?

Magellan

Yes, and I've made that point on numerous occasions before. Its just awfully hard to find anything that differentiates.

Still that is precisely the way some YEC groups behave with the exception that the make those writing for them swear by signing oaths and statements of faith to the effect that they will disavow any data that conflicts with their predetermined conclusions.

[USIncognito]

If only I had a dollar for every time that you blokes accuse me of "evasion",
I'd be able to pay off my mortgage.

If only we had a dollar for every time you posted an evasion.
We could pay off the national debt!

eta - Bah, darn you rogue!

also, not that I want to cancel the Jorge's Unintentional Comedy Hour show, but since none of the Creationists want to discuss the OP seriously, do any evolution advocates have any comments other than those posted on page 1?

[oxmixmudd]

About your anti-creationist cartoon-
Doesn't being a Christian necessitate being a creationist - or am I missing something?

Magellan

Yes : Christian == creationist.

However, Christian != scientific presupposationalist.

only YEC == scientific presupposationalist.



Jim

[Viktor Scott]

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I usually have an Evo-Faithful to thank for providing me with my daily dose of laughter.

Today that Evo-Faithful is you, USI. Thank you so much!

Jorge

Ah, the usual bile filled bluster from Fraudnandez.

Say - how did those high-level meeting with Giit et al. go? You know, the ones where you folks were supposed ot actually come up with a relevant, rigorous definition of biological information - that you've been touting for like 6 years?

[Viktor Scott]

FYI, Baumgardner has personally invited me
to join their research organization.

Scraping the bottom of the arrogant Dunning-Krugerite barrel, is he?

[Viktor Scott]

[quote=Jorge;3014980]

Strange movie, nice evasion, though I do have work and a life that does
actually preclude frequent TWeb posting... unlike yourself it seems.

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You didn't answer my question -- are you on the same evolutionary branch as those creatures?



You couldn't handle it ... you never have, you never will.


Neat ... so you don't verify but yet you blather often and at the top
of your lungs that I haven't made the point.

[sigh ...] I guess I'll never get the hang of Plutonian logic (or morals).

Jorge

Fraudnandez' projection rivals his unwarranted elitism.