Past statements, of past leaders.

[Cow Poke]

Hi Geoffrey,

Believe it or not, I am NOT anti-Christianity. In fact I am a Christian. But I have my eyes wide opened and KNOW that if man cannot learn from history, he is doomed to repeat it. The reason I point to the atrocities done in the name of God is because there is NO WAY that God COULD have had anything to do with them.

God bless,

jo

AH! We're making PROGRESS!!!
We're no longer saying "in the name of Christianity" but "in the name of God"....

However, the anti-Christianity agenda continues.

[Cow Poke]

Now, they have already condemned and damned me and ordered me to repent. And when I try to point out HISTORY to them, they call ME anti-Christian. Yet I am the one they have already called non-Christian and heretic.

Careful, Jo - this is flat NOT TRUE....
I am tagging you with "anti-Christianity agenda" because you always seem to like to use that word "agenda"... you don't like it when it comes home to roost, do you. You jump into the battle with name calling and accusations, but when things don't go your way, you do this "poor little me - those meanies are picking on me".

I have NEVER said you were a heretic, and I have never damned you and ordered you to repent. An apology is in order.

They have usurped Jesus' power and judged me while claiming this is what Jesus has taught them to do.

This is pure HOG SNOT, Jo. I was pointing out your false claims against Christians in Ireland - it had NOTHING to do with your salvation or status as a Christian. You are being terribly dishonest.

Again - you claimed they committed atrocities "in the name of Christianity", and indicated it was on a "daily basis. False accusation. You have yet to demonstrate a SINGLE instance of this.

[jo7241974]

Jo, a lot of what your talking about is the product of state-run religion and NOT about doctrine.

Orthodox christian doctrine ( trinity, faith in Christ alone ) has had no impact on causing all the bumps in the road of Christian history.

Maybe if the LDS' history was as long as christian history, the LDS would have a lot more " bumps " in their road as well. But the LDS is a " new kid on the block " and now exists in a more PC environment.

Am I not damned and condemned on this forum over the very Orthodox doctrine you think has had no impact on Christian history?

God bless,

jo

[Hamster]

Am I not damned and condemned on this forum over the very Orthodox doctrine you think has had no impact on Christian history?

All the atrocities commited are excusable because they have their roots in the contemporary cultures of the perpetrators.

[Cow Poke]

Am I not damned and condemned on this forum over the very Orthodox doctrine you think has had no impact on Christian history?

God bless,

jo

Why are you so worried about what other people think?
Is your faith dependent upon us believing that you believe?

You lash out at Christians with bitterness and hate, then give us this "Jesus preaches love" pablum.
Jesus ALSO said, (Luke 12:51 KJV) Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: 52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. 53 The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

You are sounding like you are developing a real persecution complex, Jo.
Could it maybe be guilt for all the aspersion you cast on Christians?

[JAYMZ]

Am I not damned and condemned on this forum over the very Orthodox doctrine you think has had no impact on Christian history?

God bless,

jo

Michael Servertus was put to death because of state run religion not because of the trinity.

Just because the Church as spoken throughout history and said " this is what we believe, " doesnt mean it has always acted as it should.

We are in the here and now, and you can reject the trinity to your hearts content without fear of physical threat. Its between you and God.

Btw, just because the LDS is very universalist tendencies now, doesnt mean it always was.

[Hamster]

Hey, all those things were done in the name of theism. Guess we should all embrace atheism since theism obviously causes terrible war and bloodshed?

[jo7241974]

Michael Servertus was put to death because of state run religion not because of the trinity.

Just because the Church as spoken throughout history and said " this is what we believe, " doesnt mean it has always acted as it should.

We are in the here and now, and you can reject the trinity to your hearts content without fear of physical threat. Its between you and God.

Btw, just because the LDS is very universalist tendencies now, doesnt mean it always was.

You have avoided answering my question which was this: Am I not damned and condemned on this forum over the very Orthodox doctrine you think has had no impact on Christian history?

IOW, the "doesn't-mean-it-has-always-acted-as-it-should" actions were based on the rules which man made. They are being adhered to today as well. And if it were PC to do so, the anti-LDS on this forum would be burning me at the stake BECAUSE of those doctrines.

God bless,

jo

[Cow Poke]

You have avoided answering my question which was this: Am I not damned and condemned on this forum over the very Orthodox doctrine you think has had no impact on Christian history?

God bless,

jo

Not by ME!
And you have me on "mental ignore"!

[ServantBearkat]

IOW, the "doesn't-mean-it-has-always-acted-as-it-should" actions were based on the rules which man made. They are being adhered to today as well. And if it were PC to do so, the anti-LDS on this forum would be burning me at the stake BECAUSE of those doctrines.


jo

I could care less about political correctness, I don't burn people at the stake because I am a creation of the Spirit of God, such things are not a part of the nature He gave me.

[JAYMZ]

You have avoided answering my question which was this: Am I not damned and condemned on this forum over the very Orthodox doctrine you think has had no impact on Christian history?

IOW, the "doesn't-mean-it-has-always-acted-as-it-should" actions were based on the rules which man made. They are being adhered to today as well. And if it were PC to do so, the anti-LDS on this forum would be burning me at the stake BECAUSE of those doctrines.

God bless,

jo

Jo, a tad bit over dramatic.....dont you think ?

I doubt that any christian here whats you dead because you choose to trust in Joseph Smiths religious system. Many of us pray for you and other LDS here ( as well as atheists, muslims ).

Most of us just want to be a witness for the True Light, in contrast to things that are inspired by the one the " poses as an angel of light. " He has inspired many religions throughout time, and loves to use the sins of the past to discredit the Faith.

[Sparko]

Am I not damned and condemned on this forum over the very Orthodox doctrine you think has had no impact on Christian history?

God bless,

jo

Jo, stop acting like a victim. If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

CP is right. You love to go on the attack and even make up "attrocities" that you can't back up, and even call the Christian Church "Apostate" - yet when anyone comes back at you, you whine and cry about those mean-ol' Anti-Mormons! boo-hoo. they are judging you. wahhhhhh.

Well, yes, I think the LDS church is heretical. I think that anyone who believes their doctrines are heretics. And I think that those that die in those heresies will not be saved. Why? Because the LDS have such a totally foreign concept of God than the bible teaches. The LDS God is one of many, and just a super powered human being. That version of God can't save you, according to my beliefs.

I will continue to say that the LDS church is a cult and heretical. I don't have anything against you personally, other than you act like a baby sometimes, and like a raving lunatic at other times. I don't know where you are going Jo. Heaven or Hell. It all depends on the rest of your life. You can always repent and leave the LDS church.

[One Bad Pig]

No push-back on my post #101, jo?

[jo7241974]

No push-back on my post #101, jo?

I have been watching as others who post on this forum who are not LDS have their links and evidences trampled merely because the anti-LDS have pre-determined their stance and will not be swayed. Rather than put my own evidences to the same pre-determined conclusion that they can't possibly be correct, I will leave all of the Christian scholars on this forum to do their own research when faced with something they do not believe. If they are sincere in searching for the truth, they will be the ones who need to seek it.

Keep in mind, that just like today with everyone arguing over what is the correct way to view or perceive or believe in God, it has been the same since the time of Adam and Eve. You will be able to find support for your POV; you find support for my POV. Most likely, you will choose whatever supports your POV as being correct and will wave away anything which does not support your POV as being false anyway. Can you deny this?

Any teacher worth listening to directs their students to do their own studying, yes?

God bless,

jo

[Sparko]

I have been watching as others who post on this forum who are not LDS have their links and evidences trampled merely because the anti-LDS have pre-determined their stance and will not be swayed. Rather than put my own evidences to the same pre-determined conclusion that they can't possibly be correct, I will leave all of the Christian scholars on this forum to do their own research when faced with something they do not believe. If they are sincere in searching for the truth, they will be the ones who need to seek it

In other words you will continue to make baseless assertions without any cited source at all. Gee let me try that.


The LDS Mormon Church has committed untold atrocities against Christians, like burning Christians at the stake, kidnapping their children to raise them mormon, and even training rattlesnakes to invade towns and kill unsuspecting Christians in their own beds! And even today the LDS church does such things. They send out missionaries to spy on people's homes and plant bugs so that the LDS church can listen in on their conversations, then blackmail people into joining the LDS church. Oh, and Hitler was a mormon. It says so on private documents in the hidden Mormon vaults.