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    Shaking the earth

    Isaiah 13:13
    Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.


    Is it saying that God will shake the heavens, which will lead to the shaking of the earth as a consequence? Or is it just saying that he will shake both heaven and earth independently?

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    I think its an allegory.
    A happy family is but an earlier heaven.
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    It is certainly not independent actions of the heavens and of the earth. Contrary to the earliest Greek translation of this verse, which has two passive verbs, in the Hebrew emphasis is placed on God himself shaking the heavens. It may be implied that the earth trembles as a result, but I would not over-emphasize this in a purely mechanistic way for the earth also shakes, grammatically as the subject of a verb in the active, not passive, voice. The earth can act on its own, either of its own accord or frequently in response to the Lord's actions and anger. See, for example, Isaiah 5,25 where the mountains quake when the Lord smites the people. See also 2 Samuel 22,8; Psalms 18,8 77,19; Jeremiah 51,29.
    βλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι᾿ ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον
    ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην.

    אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obsidian View Post
    Isaiah 13:13
    Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.


    Is it saying that God will shake the heavens, which will lead to the shaking of the earth as a consequence? Or is it just saying that he will shake both heaven and earth independently?

    Two more references come to mind.

    Isaiah 24:20,
    . . . The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again. . . .


    Revelation 16:18,
    . . . And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. . . .


    And I think they refer to that one yet future event (Isaiah 13:10; Isaiah 24:23; Revelation 6:12; Matthew 24:29-31).
    . . . the Gospel of Christ, for it is [the] power of God to salvation to every [one] believing, . . . -- Romans 1:16.

    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3, 4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 37818
    Two more references come to mind.
    . . . .
    And I think they refer to that one yet future event (Isaiah 13:10; Isaiah 24:23; Revelation 6:12; Matthew 24:29-31).
    Regardless of what those verses are talking about, Isaiah 13 seems to be talking about when the Persians overthrew Babylon.

    Isaiah 13:17-18
    Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them,
    which shall not regard silver;
    and as for gold, they shall not delight in it.
    Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces;
    and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb;
    their eye shall not spare children.


    Quote Originally Posted by Robrecht
    in the Hebrew emphasis is placed on God himself shaking the heavens. It may be implied that the earth trembles as a result, but I would not over-emphasize this in a purely mechanistic way for the earth also shakes, grammatically as the subject of a verb in the active, not passive, voice.
    Most of the English translations seem to imply that the earth shakes as a result of the heavens shaking. I just wanted to be sure. My theory is that the heavens shaking refers to some sort of punishment inflicted against the demonic rulers, which causes their earthly puppet-states that worshipped them to fall as a result.

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