Info suggests Trump associates may have coordinated with Russians

[Meh Gerbil]

Many of the MSM outlets attempt to be impartial. The BBC is govt funded and operates under Royal Charter stipulating it remain independent and above party politics. Australia's ABC and SBS have similar. But most of the news outlets seem to make an attempt at impartiality. CNN goes overboard in this regard by providing a platform for every kook who has an opinion. The least impartial are those like Fox and Breitbart, which promote an ideological agenda.

Okay.

[The Thinker]

More like they knowingly report lies and manipulate the truth to benefit their corporate masters' interests (and I include Fox News on that list).

Yet you still link to liberal papers when they say something you like. So where's your reasoning?

[The Thinker]

How are you to know what's a fact then, if you can't name your sources and you fill your articles with "could" and "might have"?

After the facts come out the sources will be named and we'll have the full story. This could take a while, so I'm not holding my breath.

Something is definitely going on with Trump and Russia. There is so much evidence pointing that way. We just don't know the exact details of what it is yet, or the scope of his ties to Putin's government.

[Tassman]

After the facts come out the sources will be named and we'll have the full story. This could take a while, so I'm not holding my breath.

Something is definitely going on with Trump and Russia. There is so much evidence pointing that way. We just don't know the exact details of what it is yet, or the scope of his ties to Putin's government.

We don't as yet know the exact details, but there's ever increasing evidence of a 'cover-up'. Most recently in the apparent attempt to torpedo the Select Committee on Intelligence, led by the now severely compromised Devin Nunes.

[Mountain Man]

Something is definitely going on with Trump and Russia. There is so much evidence pointing that way.

There is zero evidence pointing that way. All we have are baseless rumors and vague accusations. If there was anything to this conspiracy theory, anything at all, then surely, after all these months of diligently digging, the Democrats and their allies in the media would have found something, anything that directly implicates Trump. Instead we have close Clinton ally and former acting CIA Director Michael Morell saying, "On the question of the Trump campaign conspiring with the Russians here, there is smoke, but there is no fire, at all. There's no little campfire, there's no little candle, there's no spark. And there's a lot of people looking for it." Even Obama's Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, said, "There was no evidence whatsoever [...] of collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians."

Sorry, guys, but there is no "there" there.

[robrecht]

There is zero evidence pointing that way. All we have are baseless rumors and vague accusations. If there was anything to this conspiracy theory, anything at all, then surely, after all these months of diligently digging, the Democrats and their allies in the media would have found something, anything that directly implicates Trump. Instead we have close Clinton ally and former acting CIA Director Michael Morell saying, "On the question of the Trump campaign conspiring with the Russians here, there is smoke, but there is no fire, at all. There's no little campfire, there's no little candle, there's no spark. And there's a lot of people looking for it." Even Obama's Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, said, "There was no evidence whatsoever [...] of collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians."

Sorry, guys, but there is no "there" there.

I have tended to agree with Morrell that Tump may be an unwitting dupe of Russia. Perhaps he was manipulated by Manafort, or perhaps Trump was merely a convenient tool to hurt Clinton and embarrass America.

[Mountain Man]

I have tended to agree with Morrell that Tump may be an unwitting dupe of Russia.

Yeah, that must be it.

More likely the Democrats are just pissing into the wind.

[robrecht]

Yeah, that must be it.

More likely the Democrats are just pissing into the wind.

Weren't you ever embarrassed by some of things Trump has said?

[Mountain Man]

Weren't you ever embarrassed by some of things Trump has said?

What does that have to do with Democrats falsely accusing Trump of conspiring with Russia?

[The Thinker]

There is zero evidence pointing that way. All we have are baseless rumors and vague accusations. If there was anything to this conspiracy theory, anything at all, then surely, after all these months of diligently digging, the Democrats and their allies in the media would have found something, anything that directly implicates Trump. Instead we have close Clinton ally and former acting CIA Director Michael Morell saying, "On the question of the Trump campaign conspiring with the Russians here, there is smoke, but there is no fire, at all. There's no little campfire, there's no little candle, there's no spark. And there's a lot of people looking for it." Even Obama's Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, said, "There was no evidence whatsoever [...] of collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians."

Sorry, guys, but there is no "there" there.

They have found something. They've found plenty. Paul Manafort, Trump's former campaign manager, was on the payroll of a Russian billionaire with close ties to Putin and Manafort is suspected of laundering Russian money, and benefiting Putin to help his image in the US:

Last week, the Associated Press reported Manafort was on a $10 million-a-year consulting contract with Deripaska and promised him in a 2005 memo to influence politics and news coverage "to greatly benefit the Putin government."

You know, Trump, Manafort, and all the people close to Trump could just release all their tax returns to show their innocence at any time.

You're focusing on one thing: the alleged collusion with Russia over the hacking. That's merely 1 scandal of perhaps dozens of others.


It looks like you're just going to be a loyal cheer leader for Trump. Maybe I should start calling you Mountain Cuck?

[The Thinker]

There is zero evidence pointing that way. All we have are baseless rumors and vague accusations. If there was anything to this conspiracy theory, anything at all, then surely, after all these months of diligently digging, the Democrats and their allies in the media would have found something, anything that directly implicates Trump. Instead we have close Clinton ally and former acting CIA Director Michael Morell saying, "On the question of the Trump campaign conspiring with the Russians here, there is smoke, but there is no fire, at all. There's no little campfire, there's no little candle, there's no spark. And there's a lot of people looking for it." Even Obama's Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, said, "There was no evidence whatsoever [...] of collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians."

Sorry, guys, but there is no "there" there.

You also carefully skipped over "at the time" in Clapper's quote: "There was no evidence whatsoever, at the time, of collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians,"

That's what the whole investigation is about, finding the evidence.

[robrecht]

What does that have to do with Democrats falsely accusing Trump of conspiring with Russia?

I was repeating, as a direct question to you, a part of my post that you had deleted and ignored.

As for false accusations, the FBI is currently still investigating this and has not yet concluded that they are false.

[Tassman]

What does that have to do with Democrats falsely accusing Trump of conspiring with Russia?

Those dang Democrats!

Whether or not Trump and his associates colluded with Russia is still under investigation. Presumably, if there was no further information to be investigated the FBI would have brought the enquiry to a close. But it hasn't. Therefore its too early to claim that Trump etc has been exonerated of collusion.

[Bill the Cat]

They have found something. They've found plenty. Paul Manafort, Trump's former campaign manager, was on the payroll of a Russian billionaire with close ties to Putin and Manafort is suspected of laundering Russian money, and benefiting Putin to help his image in the US:

And that had... what to do with the election again?

You know, Trump, Manafort, and all the people close to Trump could just release all their tax returns to show their innocence at any time.

Again, what does that have to do with "election tampering"

You're focusing on one thing: the alleged collusion with Russia over the hacking. That's merely 1 scandal of perhaps dozens of others.

It's not a scandal. It's an imaginary witch hunt.

[The Thinker]

And that had... what to do with the election again?

I never said it had anything to do with it.

Again, what does that have to do with "election tampering"

I never said it had anything to do with it.

It's not a scandal. It's an imaginary witch hunt.

Oh right, we got another cheerleader for Trump here. Then Trump should have no problem releasing his tax returns and allowing independent investigations to get to the bottom of this "fake scandal." Yet he acts as if he's got something to hide.