Question for Jeff

[Krusader]

Hey, Jeff, I see you are very much part of the NRA. I support their position too - except I'm rather confused about the report that they may be supporting the Mormon, Harry Reid. That would be Harry Reid, the same guy who said we were losing the Iraqi war; the same guy who supports just about every liberal thing coming down the pike.

I know Mormons are pretty good at being organized to support the candidate endorsed by the head honchos of Mormonism. However, do you think you could vote for Mormon, Reid, even though he might receive the support of the NRA? Or would you vote for another candidate who isn't such a lackey for the left?

[OtherCheek]

Hey, Jeff, I see you are very much part of the NRA. I support their position too - except I'm rather confused about the report that they may be supporting the Mormon, Harry Reid. That would be Harry Reid, the same guy who said we were losing the Iraqi war; the same guy who supports just about every liberal thing coming down the pike.

What? Democrats in the NRA? How can that be?

Hey Krusader, the NRA supports Mormons being in their organization. What do you think about that?

I know Mormons are pretty good at being organized to support the candidate endorsed by the head honchos of Mormonism.

How do you know this? What "head honchos" are you referring to? Names? Do you have any examples of a Mormon head honcho organizing people to vote for a particular political candidate?
Show us what you got.

However, do you think you could vote for Mormon, Reid, even though he might receive the support of the NRA? Or would you vote for another candidate who isn't such a lackey for the left?

This from the Politico

Politico

Conservatives say there’s a clear political calculation at work: If Reid loses, he’s almost certain to be succeeded as majority leader by a fierce gun-control advocate, either Illinois Sen. Dick Durbin or New York Sen. Chuck Schumer.

The NRA isn't even denying this line of reasoning but says it hasn’t made a decision about whether to endorse Reid.

“The Second Amendment and the National Rifle Association are always one bad incident away from politicians like Chuck Schumer and Dick Durbin exploiting their agenda of gun control,” said Andrew Arulanandam, an NRA spokesman.

© source where applicable

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0710/39340.html

So, although it's not a done deal, it looks like it could happen, and it is a calculated move.

I think Harry Reid needs to go. And I would rather see Gov. Chris Christi as the next president over Mitt Romney.

Now, please explain yourself about Mormon endorsements of political candidates. Who are the "head honchos" you are referring to, and do you have any examples of a Mormon head honcho the members of the LDS church to vote for a particular political candidate?

Show us what you got.

[jo7241974]

What? Democrats in the NRA? How can that be?

Hey Krusader, the NRA supports Mormons being in their organization. What do you think about that?



How do you know this? What "head honchos" are you referring to? Names? Do you have any examples of a Mormon head honcho organizing people to vote for a particular political candidate?
Show us what you got.



This from the Politico

Politico

Conservatives say there’s a clear political calculation at work: If Reid loses, he’s almost certain to be succeeded as majority leader by a fierce gun-control advocate, either Illinois Sen. Dick Durbin or New York Sen. Chuck Schumer.

The NRA isn't even denying this line of reasoning but says it hasn’t made a decision about whether to endorse Reid.

“The Second Amendment and the National Rifle Association are always one bad incident away from politicians like Chuck Schumer and Dick Durbin exploiting their agenda of gun control,” said Andrew Arulanandam, an NRA spokesman.

© source where applicable

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0710/39340.html

So, although it's not a done deal, it looks like it could happen, and it is a calculated move.

I think Harry Reid needs to go. And I would rather see Gov. Chris Christi as the next president over Mitt Romney.

Now, please explain yourself about Mormon endorsements of political candidates. Who are the "head honchos" you are referring to, and do you have any examples of a Mormon head honcho the members of the LDS church to vote for a particular political candidate?

Show us what you got.

I recall something in the Bible about loving and forgiving others. Perchance Krusader missed that. Eeset is pointing to other scripture in another thread which I would like to include here:

Proverbs 6:16-19 KJV

16These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:

17A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

18An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,

19A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

Now, she and other anti-LDS will probably argue that Mormons aren't their brethren. In Truth, however, the family of man; i.e., ALL of mankind are our brothers and sisters. The commandment to love one another didn't say love only those whom you choose to love and who agree with you. It didn't even say love ONLY those who you think are Christian. Therefore, it appears that one of the very things that God HATES and even calls an ABOMINATION is "sowing discord among brethren". Isn't that basically the purpose of this forum? i.e., to "sow discord among brethren"??? Surely, even during the times that the children of Israel had strayed from God, He still hated and found these things to be an abomination if found among them.

God bless,

jo

[Sparko]

I recall something in the Bible about loving and forgiving others. Perchance Krusader missed that. Eeset is pointing to other scripture in another thread which I would like to include here:

Proverbs 6:16-19 KJV

16These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:

17A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

18An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,

19A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

Now, she and other anti-LDS will probably argue that Mormons aren't their brethren. In Truth, however, the family of man; i.e., ALL of mankind are our brothers and sisters. The commandment to love one another didn't say love only those whom you choose to love and who agree with you. It didn't even say love ONLY those who you think are Christian. Therefore, it appears that one of the very things that God HATES and even calls an ABOMINATION is "sowing discord among brethren". Isn't that basically the purpose of this forum? i.e., to "sow discord among brethren"??? Surely, even during the times that the children of Israel had strayed from God, He still hated and found these things to be an abomination if found among them.

God bless,

jo

Jo, I know you don't like Krusader's style of attacking the mormons, but that maybe just because you have a similar style of attacking the "anti-LDS" and "Orthodoxy" as you call it, including the Catholic Church.

Perhaps you are both more alike than either of you are willing to admit. And perhaps you should take your own advice about sowing discord.

[jo7241974]

Jo, I know you don't like Krusader's style of attacking the mormons, but that maybe just because you have a similar style of attacking the "anti-LDS" and "Orthodoxy" as you call it, including the Catholic Church.

Perhaps you are both more alike than either of you are willing to admit. And perhaps you should take your own advice about sowing discord.

Her "style"? She is a sick individual who needs help. Even though I pity her, I will continue to expose her sick tactics. Her style of hate can easily become pandemic - it's one of satan's favorite tricks.

As far as "Orthodoxy" is concerned, I have yet to hear from someone who holds to it to explain where this idea of "correctness" is taught in the Bible. In truth, all I ever hear is man's excuses. At least when the LDS point out that the church has strayed, we are able to show Biblically that it was already happening before scripture was even canonized. Oh, and we don't damn people either. Actually, I am seeing posts from many who hold to "orthodoxy" but who don't agree with its extremes.

One of the first things that is done by someone or some group who wants to gain control of the people, is to control their "education". Sometimes this starts out very innocently and with the intent to do the right thing. This has been repeated over and over throughout history. It's happening right now in the United States, only for evil reasons.

I believe that with the best of intentions it happened in the church as well - and it started in Nicea. They wanted to be the good guys - they loved God! But just like any controlled "education", some very bad fruit has resulted.

Orthodoxy tells me to believe exactly like they do "or else". I am here to point out where the "or else" came from, that it needs to be thrown out, and that getting back to the basics of the Gospel of Christ is a good thing. I damn no one. Krusader and Deren are obsessed with their hatred and bigotry. They are to be pitied and loved and forgiven. Yet I still do not damn them or anybody. Their style of bigotry, however, is an infectious disease that needs to be kept in check.

God bless them and all of us.

jo

[Sparko]

Her "style"? She is a sick individual who needs help. Even though I pity her, I will continue to expose her sick tactics. Her style of hate can easily become pandemic - it's one of satan's favorite tricks.

and then you go on to prove me right...

As far as "Orthodoxy" is concerned, I have yet to hear from someone who holds to it to explain where this idea of "correctness" is taught in the Bible. In truth, all I ever hear is man's excuses. At least when the LDS point out that the church has strayed, we are able to show Biblically that it was already happening before scripture was even canonized. Oh, and we don't damn people either. Actually, I am seeing posts from many who hold to "orthodoxy" but who don't agree with its extremes.

One of the first things that is done by someone or some group who wants to gain control of the people, is to control their "education". Sometimes this starts out very innocently and with the intent to do the right thing. This has been repeated over and over throughout history. It's happening right now in the United States, only for evil reasons.

I believe that with the best of intentions it happened in the church as well - and it started in Nicea. They wanted to be the good guys - they loved God! But just like any controlled "education", some very bad fruit has resulted.

Orthodoxy tells me to believe exactly like they do "or else". I am here to point out where the "or else" came from, that it needs to be thrown out, and that getting back to the basics of the Gospel of Christ is a good thing. I damn no one. Krusader and Deren are obsessed with their hatred and bigotry. They are to be pitied and loved and forgiven. Yet I still do not damn them or anybody. Their style of bigotry, however, is an infectious disease that needs to be kept in check.

God bless them and all of us.

jo

Your hate and paranoia are exposed in your own words.

Oh the irony of your post!

:irony:

[OtherCheek]

and then you go on to prove me right...



Your hate and paranoia are exposed in your own words.

Oh the irony of your post!

:irony:

I think there is a universal tendency among people, to want to defend their beliefs. We don't teach that you are going to hell for your beliefs, Sparko. But you teach that I am going to hell for mine.

And so you (and Krusader) are caught defending a belief that I am going to hell for what I believe, and I am caught defending a belief that neither of us are going to hell for what we believe.

Which of us has the right to be more antagonistic of the other's beliefs? Me? You and Krusader? or Neither?

I don't see Jesus getting angry at people for BELIEVING what they believed. He DID get angry with people for DOING what they did.

[Cow Poke]

The commandment to love one another didn't say love only those whom you choose to love and who agree with you.

Oh, The Irony! I have made this very point to Mormons, who excuse their mean spirited comments by saying "but you're MOCKING...... "

Does this commandment to love one another make an exception for persons you claim are "mocking"????

Were this conversation the other way around, Jo, this might be the point at which you're crying "hypocrite!" "Pharisee"

It didn't even say love ONLY those who you think are Christian.

AMEN, Preach it Sister!!! Can I get a witness!!!!

[jo7241974]

and then you go on to prove me right...



Your hate and paranoia are exposed in your own words.

Oh the irony of your post!

:irony:

Hardly - you refuse to address the issue of Orthodoxy because you are still pondering what to do about it. You recognize there is truth in my observations. Untll you reach a solution in your mind of how to handle it, you are going to continue to make me your whipping person. That's okay. It's a very human thing to do. The desire to be "correct" will be an issue until we are resurrected; we are all victims to it in one way or another. When we use "correctness" (i.e. Orthodoxy and all of its word forms) to accuse someone they are NOT worshiping and serving Father or Jesus Christ, and when we judge the souls of others as unsaved in accordance with our own interpretations of God's Word, we need to step back and try to see what is really going on.

I have never made those accusations. I have never told those who attack me and my beliefs that they do not believe in or worship Father or Jesus Christ; nor have I ever judged them unsaved. These tactics are used by the those who claim to be "correct"/"Orthodox", etc. You can deny that if you want to. But Father knows the truth of it.

God bless,

jo

[jo7241974]

Oh, The Irony! I have made this very point to Mormons, who excuse their mean spirited comments by saying "but you're MOCKING...... "

Does this commandment to love one another make an exception for persons you claim are "mocking"????

Were this conversation the other way around, Jo, this might be the point at which you're crying "hypocrite!" "Pharisee"


AMEN, Preach it Sister!!! Can I get a witness!!!!

Hi CP!

You seem to be confusing someone who is defending their beliefs because someone else just attacked them, with not keeping the commandment to love everyone.

Tell me, if you were to go home and find a stranger holding a knife to a loved one's throat, would you defend your loved one to the point you would kill the stranger to do so? Yet, in what I know about you, I can believe that you would still have love for and grieve over the person you needed to kill. That is because God's love is at work in you. Obviously, this is an extreme example. However, the point was that you found yourself in a situation of defense. And you did what you needed to do under the circumstances. Please do not confuse our defenses with hate and unChristianlike behavior.

God bless,

jo

[wonbyone]

I think there is a universal tendency among people, to want to defend their beliefs. We don't teach that you are going to hell for your beliefs, Sparko. But you teach that I am going to hell for mine.

And so you (and Krusader) are caught defending a belief that I am going to hell for what I believe, and I am caught defending a belief that neither of us are going to hell for what we believe.

Which of us has the right to be more antagonistic of the other's beliefs? Me? You and Krusader? or Neither?

I don't see Jesus getting angry at people for BELIEVING what they believed. He DID get angry with people for DOING what they did.

And what was the point of the "restoration" exactly?

[OtherCheek]

And what was the point of the "restoration" exactly?

Because God still loves the world.

[OtherCheek]

Does this commandment to love one another make an exception for persons you claim are "mocking"????

We still love you, CP, despite your mocking.

[Cow Poke]

We still love you, CP, despite your mocking.

And I still love you in spite of your silly little whining when somebody doesn't agree with you or challenges your beliefs.

{mocking, indeed!}

[Cow Poke]

Hi CP!

You seem to be confusing someone who is defending their beliefs because someone else just attacked them, with not keeping the commandment to love everyone.

Tell me, if you were to go home and find a stranger holding a knife to a loved one's throat, would you defend your loved one to the point you would kill the stranger to do so? Yet, in what I know about you, I can believe that you would still have love for and grieve over the person you needed to kill. That is because God's love is at work in you. Obviously, this is an extreme example. However, the point was that you found yourself in a situation of defense. And you did what you needed to do under the circumstances. Please do not confuse our defenses with hate and unChristianlike behavior.

God bless,

jo

You really don't understand the "sticks and stones" concept, do you?