America, a Socialist Oligarchy?

[Blue Canary]

Do you believe America is headed towards a socialist oligarchy? If so, how long do you believe we have before the transition is complete? What elements are required to secure the transition (i.e. would economic collapse, pandemic, ecological disaster, large-scale natural disasters, terrorism, etc. help give more power to a few)?

What recent events do you believe supports or refutes the belief that America is headed towards this kind of government? I've not spent time in this forum so I don't know what kind of people post here. I am greatly interested in speaking with people educated in history and politics.

Thank you.

[Pilgrim]

Well, I think the few should be in control. The masses are generally just too dumb to be trusted....

[Blue Canary]

Well, I think the few should be in control. The masses are generally just to dumb to be trusted....

Really?

What do you say to the idea of a republic? If we stay committed to law, then we have protection from the whims of a few and also protection from the problems you mention, which, I assume, you mean are implicit in a democracy. I think the founding fathers were far wiser than today's politicians ignorantly or knowingly realize. I think we are in danger in a democracy and I think that is why the founders set us up with a republic.

[Zombie]

the few come from the same stock as the masses...so its about even as far as i see.

america as socialist? i dont see it. i see corporate feudalism on the horizon. the nations-state cant keep up with mega corporations.

[Pilgrim]

Really?

What do you say to the idea of a republic? If we stay committed to law, then we have protection from the whims of a few and also protection from the problems you mention, which, I assume, you mean are implicit in a democracy. I think the founding fathers were far wiser than today's politicians ignorantly or knowingly realize. I think we are in danger in a democracy and I think that is why the founders set us up with a republic.

I agree they were wise. Is it really your position that they represented the average citizen and weren't in fact really a kind of oligarchy themselves?

[Darth Executor]

Well, I think the few should be in control. The masses are generally just too dumb to be trusted....

The few are also too dumb to be trusted.

[Blue Canary]

I agree they were wise. Is it really your position that they represented the average citizen and weren't in fact really a kind of oligarchy themselves?

I believe they tried to set up a republic, which is different than an oligarchy. What do you think of this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVsjZBy7hww

[One Bad Pig]

I nominate Darth Executor for dictator-in-perpetuity.

[TyRockwell]

The few are also too dumb to be trusted.

Amen! Good answer!

[Da Blonde]

Socialist oligarchy = a fancy term for government. All governments are socialist oligarchies.

[Sparko]

er, yay. da blonde is back.

[Crow]

I nominate Darth Executor for dictator-in-perpetuity.

I second that nomination.

[Da Blonde]

er, yay. da blonde is back.

Howdy. What it is?

[FreezBee]

Socialist oligarchy = a fancy term for government. All governments are socialist oligarchies.

Isn't that just the truth! Any government -- independent of it's members' ideological platform before becoming government -- will try to maximize its power over the people. The devil invented governments, and they all do his work.

- FreezBee

[TyRockwell]

Originally posted by Da Blonde

Socialist oligarchy = a fancy term for government. All governments are socialist oligarchies.

Isn't that just the truth! Any government -- independent of it's members' ideological platform before becoming government -- will try to maximize its power over the people. The devil invented governments, and they all do his work.

- FreezBee

Men invented government because God required mankind to be accountable for the bloodshed of his fellow man. See Genesis 9:5-6

Surely for your lifeblood I will demand an accounting. I will demand an accounting from every animal. And from each man, too, I will demand an accounting for the life of his fellow man.
Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed;
for in the image of God has God made man.

Up to this point in the Bible there was no mention of any form of government.
Soon after this edict from God, we see that mankind has its first kingdom.

Cush was the father of Nimrod, who grew to be a mighty warrior on the earth. He was a mighty hunter before the Lord; that is why it is said, "Like Nimrod, a mighty hunter before the Lord."
The first centers of his kingdom were Babylon, Erech, Akkad and Calneh, in Shinar. Genesis 10:8-10