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Originally posted by Terraceth View PostAt the age of 18 you are apparently regarded as mature/competent enough to:
1) Smoke
2) Vote
3) Get drafted
4) Enter contracts
5) Be tried as an adult in court
6) Be elected to most public offices
(it's true some of these can be done at ages lower than 18 under certain circumstances, but 18 is when they can always be done)
Yet, somehow, you're not regarded as mature/competent enough to drink?
Maybe they could do it like they do in Germany, where they have two separate ages: One for drinking spirits, and one for drinking non-spirits alcohol. Keep 21 for spirits but lower it to 18 for the non-spirits like beer and wine.
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Originally posted by guacamole View PostI work with a lot of 18 year olds. Many of them are idiots. I would argue that a lot of the things on that list should be out of bounds for them.
Still, if the claim is that 18 year olds shouldn't be able to do any of that either, then move those up to 21. I just want some kind of simple consistency, whether it's putting everything at 21 or putting it all at 18. Though I expect lowering the age to 18 would be a whole lot easier.
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Originally posted by Terraceth View PostThere are many idiot 21 year olds as well.
Still, if the claim is that 18 year olds shouldn't be able to do any of that either, then move those up to 21. I just want some kind of simple consistency, whether it's putting everything at 21 or putting it all at 18. Though I expect lowering the age to 18 would be a whole lot easier.
fwiw,
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Save me, save me"
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Originally posted by guacamole View PostSimple consistency isn't necessarily reasonable if the different acts have different levels of consequence if abused. Realistically, an 18 year old who smokes too much is merely hurting himself (presuming he smokes alone). An 18 year old who votes foolishly has a limited impact. An 18 year old who drinks too much and who drives under the influence is a threat to others.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostI thought that most if not all allow children to have a glass of wine with their meals -- in their homes, not restaurants.
https://alcoholpolicy.niaaa.nih.gov/....html?tab=Maps
Originally posted by Sparko View PostExactly how would they stop them?Find my speling strange? I'm trying this out: Simplified Speling. Feel free to join me.
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Originally posted by guacamole View PostSimple consistency isn't necessarily reasonable if the different acts have different levels of consequence if abused. Realistically, an 18 year old who smokes too much is merely hurting himself (presuming he smokes alone). An 18 year old who votes foolishly has a limited impact. An 18 year old who drinks too much and who drives under the influence is a threat to others.
fwiw,
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Originally posted by stfoskey15 View PostIt looks like 31 states specifically allow that or location exceptions, and 9 states specifically prohibit it.
https://alcoholpolicy.niaaa.nih.gov/....html?tab=Maps
I suppose the same way the police would have stopped people having gay sex in their houses when that was still illegal. I'm not sure how it works for either case unless someone calls the police about it.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI was born in Germany. I had my first beer when I was two.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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Originally posted by Terraceth View PostAt the age of 18 you are apparently regarded as mature/competent enough to:
1) Smoke
2) Vote
3) Get drafted
4) Enter contracts
5) Be tried as an adult in court
6) Be elected to most public offices
(it's true some of these can be done at ages lower than 18 under certain circumstances, but 18 is when they can always be done)
Yet, somehow, you're not regarded as mature/competent enough to drink?
Maybe they could do it like they do in Germany, where they have two separate ages: One for drinking spirits, and one for drinking non-spirits alcohol. Keep 21 for spirits but lower it to 18 for the non-spirits like beer and wine.Originally posted by guacamole View PostI work with a lot of 18 year olds. Many of them are idiots. I would argue that a lot of the things on that list should be out of bounds for them.
Fwiw,
GuacamoleI'm not here anymore.
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Originally posted by stfoskey15 View PostI suppose the same way the police would have stopped people having gay sex in their houses when that was still illegal. I'm not sure how it works for either case unless someone calls the police about it.I'm not here anymore.
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Originally posted by stfoskey15 View PostThat is the question. As an 18-year-old, I'd kind of prefer if they lowered the drinking age to 18 (at least for private consumption) like they had pre-mid-1980s. I don't drink and even if it were legal I probably wouldn't, but a lot of my underage friends do. They seem to do it responsibly, or at least they don't get too drunk when I'm around, and only seem to drink on weekends. But to be fair I don't hang out with people who go to crazy frat parties. One fairly moderate proposal I heard was to allow the drinking of one glass of beer or wine at restaurants or bars for people starting at the age of 18. This would hopefully allow young people to learn responsible drinking habits and not get alcohol in sketchy areas. They could even lower the store purchasing age to 19 and not have to worry about high school seniors giving alcohol to other high schoolers. What are your thoughts on the issue?Blog: Atheism and the City
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