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Originally posted by JimL View PostEverybody at the mercy of international corporations? What?"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostThey own the government, who will then own you (I mean even more than they already do) when they can make all your healthcare decisions for you.
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View Postyou just want to put everybody at the mercy of international corporations.
Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostPsychology, huh? Did I nail it or did I nail it?
You still have to put up with the odd absurdity but it's easy to tune out, especially if you've had a proper Internet education before you get to college."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostUm... dunno if you know this basic fact, but progressives are against international mega corporations, it's the right-wing free-market capitalists that like them. And if you go far enough Left to get to "democratic socialism", then we're exactly against everybody being at the mercy of international corporations (which is what makes us socialists).
The libertarian right will happily subjugate the population under corporations as long as they don't call themselves "the government". The progressive left will happily subjugate the population to the government as long as they don't have a ticker symbol and append "Inc." to their name.
In practice the corporate state effectively uses both to dismantle any real opposition (most of which comes from the right).
Oh dear, "a proper internet education" huh... coming from you I guess that means "Alex Jones and Breitbart and others have indoctrinated me into believing facts are liberal hoaxes and that genocide of non-whites is the only true path forward for humanity"."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostProgressives are very much FOR international megacorporations in actual practice, the two collude with each other on a regular basis.
The libertarian right will happily subjugate the population under corporations as long as they don't call themselves "the government".
The progressive left will happily subjugate the population to the government as long as they don't have a ticker symbol and append "Inc." to their name.
In practice the corporate state effectively uses both to dismantle any real opposition (most of which comes from the right).
Progressivism cannot handle scrutiny which is why it only allows ineffective opposition to exist. The Internet broke that monopoly. There is nothing you can do anymore except watch your entire system fall apart."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostApparently you don't understand what "progressive" means.
Sure, in the sense that "government by the people for the people" is a proverb that describes the progressive left well.
In America your corporate corruption and it's control of government has indeed gone through the roof. Radical action is needed (like a constitutional amendment and various laws) to limit corporate influence in government and return power to the people. Unfortunately the current amount of corporate lobbying etc is getting the foxes appointed to guard the hen houses. We see this particularly under right-wing parties, and obviously under Trump we've seen him appoint the swamp to his cabinet with half a dozen Goldman Sachs people being put into the cabinet including the President of Goldman Sachs, and also the CEO of Exxon Mobil being appointed, so obviously the mega-corporations are being given free rein under his administration, which is not surprising for a right-wing party since making large businesses richer tends to be one of the right-wing's central tenets.
I've said much the same thing to a friend about how the internet is causing progressivism to win across the board because the arguments against it are laughable, and people having access to more information makes them more progressive.
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/...views-politics
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/co...rticle/2563244
I mean, I don't even agree with progressives on much of anything and I still cringe when I see one of you sputtering to answer even the simplest of challenges.
There's only one reason why progressives insulate themselves, react crazily and violently to having some minor figure speak on their campus and seek to criminalize criticism of themselves and their policies and it's because you're scared (and if you're not scared you're completely out of the loop), and you should be, because your lies are about to come to an end.
There's nowhere to run fartlight. Your children will either Sieg Heil and recite the 14 Words or bow their head to Mecca and recite the Takbir. This is the future you made and the future that awaits you. And I hope you live a long, healthy life, so you can see your vile ideology obliterated before your eyes."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostDumb, suicidal nujob sounds about right.
... America is probably the least corporate corrupt country in the West (not that it's saying much). Everywhere else corporations operate with impunity as long as they push progressive ideas that, in the long term, will subjugate those countries to international rule by unelected strangers. Pretty much all they need is to wait until they turn those countries into multicultural hellholes at which point they will never be removed from power. The regulatory leeway they get from Trump is nothing compared to the disaster he will be for them if he gets his immigration policies in place (a big IF given that progressives like John McCain and Lindsey Graham still control a huge part of the GOP).
Just about every unmoderated site I visit has been turned into a wasteland full of white supremacists, alt right trolls and the like, and every attempt at debating them turns into a humiliating spectacle for the progressive, in no small part because progressives are extremely insualted from opposing viewpoints by choice, something that has been shown to be true over and over and over:
...I mean, I don't even agree with progressives on much of anything and I still cringe when I see one of you sputtering to answer even the simplest of challenges.
There's only one reason why progressives insulate themselves, react crazily and violently to having some minor figure speak on their campus and seek to criminalize criticism of themselves and their policies and it's because you're scared (and if you're not scared you're completely out of the loop), and you should be, because your lies are about to come to an end.
There's nowhere to run fartlight. Your children will either Sieg Heil and recite the 14 Words or bow their head to Mecca and recite the Takbir. This is the future you made and the future that awaits you. And I hope you live a long, healthy life, so you can see your vile ideology obliterated before your eyes."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostProgressivism cannot handle scrutiny which is why it only allows ineffective opposition to exist. The Internet broke that monopoly. There is nothing you can do anymore except watch your entire system fall apart.
Progressivism aims to represent the interests of the majority through political change via government actions to ensure a more equitable opportunity for all and the redistribution of resources including greater care for the disadvantaged.
Conversely, Conservatism seeks to maintain tradition and the existing status quo, including the existing gross imbalance between rich and poor, and resists providing care for the disadvantaged opting instead for a greater share of national wealth for the rich via lower taxes.
In short, the latter cannot handle scrutiny because it is revealed as essentially selfish and the embodiment of the "every man for himself, survival of the fittest", mentality.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostIn short, the latter cannot handle scrutiny because it is revealed as essentially selfish and the embodiment of the "every man for himself, survival of the fittest", mentality.
Paul Ryan is a big Ayn Rand fan.
And we see the same immoral and evil idealization of selfishness recurring in other conservatives, including some on this forum. BtC had this gem:
Last edited by Starlight; 03-27-2017, 05:51 AM."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View Post
And we see the same immoral and evil idealization of selfishness recurring in other conservatives, including some on this forum. BtC had this gem:That's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostLOL. I have a PhD in a science field. I can like a one-panel cartoon if I want without feeling it threatens my intellectual manliness.
Have you even had any tertiary education at all? Or did you drop out of secondary school at age 15 after failing all your classes?
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostSorry, Capt. Keebler, but your wishy-washy idea of what is "immoral" and what actually IS immoral with an actual solid moral foundation are wholly different things. When you mentioned that it was immoral to "not care about others in your society", we were in the midst of discussing government handouts... or as you like to call them - "safety nets". It is thoroughly immoral to perpetually support someone without giving them the skills and the incentive to be self-sufficient. But you'd continue to facilitate their laziness and exploitation. That is why I said it is not immoral to not want to give government handouts to everyone.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostWho you trying to fool BtC, because your self serving argument about "lazy people" and "government handouts" isn't fooling anyone with an actual moral perspective.
You say you want the government to give people the skills to be self sufficient,
but I'll bet you don't support public education
and free college, right.That's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostWhen you mentioned that it was immoral to "not care about others in your society"
we were in the midst of discussing government handouts... or as you like to call them - "safety nets".
It is thoroughly immoral to perpetually support someone without giving them the skills and the incentive to be self-sufficient. But you'd continue to facilitate their laziness and exploitation."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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