Was primordal man Conscious as we are?

[shunyadragon]

Nothing that your mind can see.

I am not limited to the confines of your thought.

Peace.

The sky is blue on a clear day on the 4th of July at noon too.

[mickiel]

The sky is blue on a clear day on the 4th of July at noon too.

I will see the truth one day;

And you will have absolutely nothing to do with that moment.

Peace.

[mickiel]

Consciousness is one of the greatest proofs of God, in this world that believes there is no proof. Sitting right there within you, everyday exist the proof and evidence. Consciousness can only come from Consciousness. We are not continous with the idiot hierarchy of speechless Apes. Nor are we continous with the lifeline of speechless primordal humans.

Peace.

[mickiel]

I am convinced that God is using Archaeology to reveal himself through our past, and this will continue to increase. The life of Primordal man is a prime example of what humans would be like " If God had no hand in it", there would have been no advancement. Without Gods gift of Consciousness, man would have had no " Spirit in him", and that Spirit is why we are where we are now.

And I want to touch on that.

Peace.

[reece1984]

After careful study of Primordal man, I cannot see them being Conscious beings as we are Conscious individuals. I do not view Adam and Eve as the first humans God created, Archaeology proves that hands down. So I tend to view those two as the first " Conscious humans God created."

Consciousness IS the image of God. When the bible speaks of being in Gods image, it means having Consciousness. And I don't think Primordal man was created in Gods image, meaning they had no working Consciousness as ours. I think this is why they never became civilized.

Civilization started with Adam. The sure signs of civilization are Language, Religion, education, agriculture, transportation, advanced art, war, technology, and so on. Primordal man showed none of these, because I think they had no consciousness.

And I want to go into this most interesting topic. And see what some of you think about it.

Peace.

I don't see how archaeology disproves the Bible account of Adam and Eve. Personally, I believe the Adam Eve story to be true, but I doubt they were the first humans. Also, I don't know there is such a thing as primordial man. Can you prove such a thing? What makes you think they were not conscious? Since you only have bones and skulls, no tissue, its hard to prove such a hypothesis. How do you define consciousness anyway? Even dogs are conscious. I don't know how you arrive at the idea that the first humans had no religion, language, etc, cause these things are coexitent with man and always have been.

Clearly I need to hear more from you on this. I would enjoy it if you could talk to me on my email at daleyveneita@live.com as well. Are you a Christian? Do you believe the Bible is God's word?

[mickiel]

I don't see how archaeology disproves the Bible account of Adam and Eve. Personally, I believe the Adam Eve story to be true, but I doubt they were the first humans. Also, I don't know there is such a thing as primordial man. Can you prove such a thing? What makes you think they were not conscious? Since you only have bones and skulls, no tissue, its hard to prove such a hypothesis. How do you define consciousness anyway? Even dogs are conscious. I don't know how you arrive at the idea that the first humans had no religion, language, etc, cause these things are coexitent with man and always have been.

Clearly I need to hear more from you on this. I would enjoy it if you could talk to me on my email at daleyveneita@live.com as well. Are you a Christian? Do you believe the Bible is God's word?

I am not a Christian, I do believe in the bible and that it is the word of God, I have never stated that the bible disproves the account of Adam and Eve-- it does not, and this thread is full of asnswers to your questions, I suggest you read it all.

Peace.

[mickiel]

A good question to ask yourself, was Adam really the first man, and WHY the scriptures refer to him as that?

[ttruscott]

Humans contain both Neanderthal and Cro-magnon dna:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...bred-dna-gene/

According to a new DNA study, most humans have a little Neanderthal in them—at least 1 to 4 percent of a person's genetic makeup.

http://s8int.com/phile/sophis45.html
A Cro-Magnon DNA sequence supposedly 28,000 years old was obtained from fossil bones discoverd in the Paglicci cave, in Italy.

The results show that the DNA is identical to the DNA sequences of certain modern Europeans. They claim therefore that the DNA sequence has remained static and unchanged over 28,000 years.

They may be the result of evolution or as part of the hiding the true age of ceation by making it seem to be old. I can see Adam being created ex nihilo after the others but I have not made up my mind.

I do not accept conciousness (self awareness) as the only image of GOD, though it is contained in the image which also has the attributes of creativity, being a person, able to create realtionships with others, emotional, and with the ability to make true free will decisions.

I don't care much if Neanderthal and Cro-magnon are merely intelligent animals or not...what is important to me is the ability to make a true free will decision.

So, as far as our lives here on earth goes, all three species are equal, no free will.

Peace, Ted

[mickiel]

Well I don't accept this belief in free will, but I certainly do view Consciousness as the image of God; Christ is the image of God, or the collective thought of God; Jesus is the consciousness of God, the awareness of God, the concerns and interests of God, OR the consciousness of God.

Consciousness is waking awareness, Jesus said I am the resurrection, or he is the waking consciousness. Jesus also is called " all and in all"; how can he be that; well the answer is consciousness, every human has a consciousness; and thats how every human has a commonality with God and his image; consciousness.

[mickiel]

Well I don't accept this belief in free will, but I certainly do view Consciousness as the image of God; Christ is the image of God, or the collective thought of God; Jesus is the consciousness of God, the awareness of God, the concerns and interests of God, OR the consciousness of God.

Consciousness is waking awareness, Jesus said I am the resurrection, or he is the waking consciousness. Jesus also is called " all and in all"; how can he be that; well the answer is consciousness, every human has a consciousness; and thats how every human has a commonality with God and his image; consciousness.

I wanted to add to this that Consciousness is increasing complexity.

[mickiel]

Primordial man showed nothing in his mind that increased in complexity , because I think nothing was in his mind.

[mickiel]

Some Christians are teaching there were no primordial humans; they are wrong.

Some Christians are teaching that Adam was the first human ever, they are wrong, Adam was the first human created who had a consciousness.

Some Christians are teaching that the earth is only 6,000 years old, good grief how wrong they are, its around 4 billion years old, and the Universe is around 14 billion years old.

[Cerebrum123]

Some Christians are teaching there were no primordial humans; they are wrong.

They get that from the Bible.

Some Christians are teaching that Adam was the first human ever, they are wrong, Adam was the first human created who had a consciousness.

Ditto.

Some Christians are teaching that the earth is only 6,000 years old, good grief how wrong they are, its around 4 billion years old, and the Universe is around 14 billion years old.

Again, they get this from taking the genealogies in the Bible, and adding them together. Since the creation week only took 6 days, the Biblical evidence is stacked against you, but then again it always is.

[mickiel]

Again, they get this from taking the genealogies in the Bible, and adding them together. Since the creation week only took 6 days, the Biblical evidence is stacked against you, but then again it always is.

Even just the genealogies of Adam until egypt became civilized was over 10,000 years; goodness Adam himself almost lived 1,000 years. Know your bible.


The creation did not take six days, we don't know how long it took, but it was not six 24 hour days.

[Cerebrum123]

Even just the genealogies of Adam until egypt became civilized was over 10,000 years; goodness Adam himself almost lived 1,000 years. Know your bible.

Um, Adam's age at death would not be what would be counted, but the Adam's age for when the next person in the genealogy was born. You really should learn a bit more about something before make claims like this.

The creation did not take six days, we don't know how long it took, but it was not six 24 hour days.

Yes it did, and Exodus confirms this.

Scripture Verse:

Exodus 20:10-12
New International Version (NIV)
10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

Again, the Biblical evidence is stacked against your claims.