When Do Millennials Think They Become Adults?

[Starlight]

It doesn't average out because living costs and expenses (like college education, medical and child care, and housing costs) have gone up much more than inflation. So it's harder to live now as a young adult on your own than it was in the 70s and 80s. That's why so many young adults are living at home: they cannot afford to live on their own.

You think you have it bad in the US?



Or to put it another way, median house price divided by median household income (which is a UN & World Bank standard for housing affordability):
US 2015: 3.6
US 1980: 1.4
New York 2012: 5.2
Los Angeles & San Fran 2012: 6.8

NZ 2015: 5.2
NZ 1975: 2.8
Auckland (largest NZ city) 2016: 8.9

Basically new subdivisions and new houses here are being built flat-out, but the government is letting so many immigrants in that demand is swamping supply. Half the people in both India and China seem to want to move here. Most of my generation aren't going to be able to afford houses.

[Roy]

I'm not even 30, and I've seriously considered the possibility of having my mother move in with me....

I dub thee Oedipus Rex.

[Roy]

So invading a modern Western country is just not in any way an attractive proposition economically, which explains why nobody at all has tried to do it in the last 70 years.

Cyprus and the Falklands?

[Roy]

Judging by his ignorance about the military, I wouldn't be surprised if what he learned about the military comes from a Call of Dury or some other video game.

What a waste. Maybe if he had some reasons to be cheerful... do the US military hit people with rhythm sticks?

[Roy]

SOP

ETA: How do I make the SOP all caps when posted?
ETA: I guess I did it.

There's some glitch in the TWeb software that converts all posts less than a small number of characters (5 IIRC) into all lower case. I've hit it a couple of times when trying to create a post that consists of a couple of quotes followed by "QED".

[Starlight]

Cyprus and the Falklands?

Not sure I'd call either of those modern western countries, and notably both wars were over historical ownership disputes.

[Sparko]

The piece missing is the added cost of education. All things being equal, the added cost of student loans is significantly higher than ever before (and climbing). I agree that not all kids should go to college, but even those going into really high paying jobs have a stupid amount of debt to overcome.

I agree. I think college is way too expensive and results in people being in debt for the rest of their lives trying to pay it off. It's a freaking scam. I advise avoiding college and learning a trade. Stay away from useless degrees like "women's studies" and other academic degrees that only qualify you to be a teacher or a professor teaching the same useless degree. If you are going to go in debt, then do it for a degree that will actually lead to a well paying job, like doctor, lawyer, engineer. Get as much grant and scholarship money as you can. Go to a midrange/state college where you can get the resident discount.

But even when I was a kid, students were going into lifelong debt with student loans. I know people my age who are still paying them off. Things are not that different.

PS - I think that we are about to see a profound change in the way we do college education. Every year more and more colleges add online options. I think soon this will become the "standard" and college campuses will become a thing of the past. As colleges lower their costs and compete for students, I think they will get more affordable. If they continue the way they are now, they will hit a point where they start losing students because nobody can afford them. They would rather make $10,000 a year off of 100,000 students than $100,000 a year from 1000 students.

[Sparko]

There's some glitch in the TWeb software that converts all posts less than a small number of characters (5 IIRC) into all lower case. I've hit it a couple of times when trying to create a post that consists of a couple of quotes followed by "QED".

It actually stops posts that are in all caps. because it is considered "shouting"

so if you make a post that only has upper case, it all gets converted to lower case. But if you make a post that is a mix, then the capital letters remain. quoted text does not count. if the quoted text is lower case but your response is in all caps, then it will get converted.

[Roy]

It actually stops posts that are in all caps. because it is considered "shouting"

so if you make a post that only has upper case, it all gets converted to lower case. But if you make a post that is a mix, then the capital letters remain. quoted text does not count. if the quoted text is lower case but your response is in all caps, then it will get converted.

Aha! That makes sense.

I'm not sure posting only "QED" or "SOP" counts as shouting though.

[Zymologist]

Aha! That makes sense.

I'm not sure posting only "QED" or "SOP" counts as shouting though.

"QED!!!!" he shouted

[Bill the Cat]

I dub thee Oedipus Rex.

Meaning what?

[The Thinker]

No it doesn't, but don't let your ignorance stop you from believing that.

Yes it does - SF/Bay Area, LA, Miami, Boston, etc.

I love how you help Make Christians Look Stupid Again!

[Sparko]

Aha! That makes sense.

I'm not sure posting only "QED" or "SOP" counts as shouting though.

The software is not that smart.

[The Thinker]

There is this thing called "moving"

When you have little to no money and the better parts of the country are more expensive, moving is not an option for many.

[Darth Executor]

Not sure I'd call either of those modern western countries, and notably both wars were over historical ownership disputes.

Falklands has the economic output of a typical western country and its citizens are mostly descended from British populations, it's about as Western as it gets.