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βλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι᾿ ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον·
ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην.אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostHe claimed "everybody" is reporting something that was not only not reported by everybody but that we've had contradictory reports on.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by robrecht View PostAgain, is your point specifically about the House committee Democrats, the House committee in general, or the FBI?
Or, are you merely taking issue with his colloquial use of 'everybody'? If the latter, I'm sure we will all readily concede that you yourself are not yet willing to concede this point, regardless of what others may be reporting. Please be aware that one may use the term 'everyone' in a colloquial rather than a hyper-literal sense"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Postrobrecht seems to be on this kick lately where he tries to catch people in "errors" by splitting hairs, ignoring nuance, and refusing to accept any further explanation."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostThis question makes no sense. Are you drunk?
his use of everybody is wrong, colloquial or otherwise.βλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι᾿ ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον·
ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην.אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostEveryone is reporting that Michael Flynn, former adviser to President Trump, has allegedly offered to testify before the FBI in relation to the Trump-Russia probe in exchange for immunity.
A past quote from Flynn is amusing in this context:
"When you are given immunity, it means you probably committed a crime"βλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι᾿ ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον·
ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην.אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃
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Originally posted by robrecht View PostStarlight! Apparently you have fallen into grievous error! It has come to our attention that indeed NOT everyone is in facct reporting this. Notably, Mountain Man and Darth Executor have not yet reported this. Thus, you are wrong, incorrect, and lying when you say falsely that everyone is reporting this. Please correct your errors and repent of such terrible misspeaking.
I get that DE and MM had to wait to get their marching orders from Breitbart before being able to agree, but Breitbart are now reporting it too."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostEveryone is reporting that Michael Flynn, former adviser to President Trump, has allegedly offered to testify before the FBI in relation to the Trump-Russia probe in exchange for immunity.
A past quote from Flynn is amusing in this context:
"When you are given immunity, it means you probably committed a crime"“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostThe CNN article doesn't say anything about an offer to the FBI:
most likely it's just more fake news being spread by starlightβλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι᾿ ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον·
ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην.אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃
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Yeah, this Mike Flynn thing is much ado about nothing. It's just your standard "My client will cooperate with your investigation in exchange for a reduced sentence" legal boilerplate. Basically, his lawyer is simply trying to ensure that nothing Flynn says, or that is said about him, can come back and bite him. People thinking that this will finally be the thing to bring Trump down are only setting themselves up for disappointment.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by robrecht View PostIt should be perfectly obvious that it is light-hearted and not to be taken as a serious criticism of Spicer. How could it possibly be intended as a critique? Everyone calls it Russian dressing. They would have to be understood as criticizing Kraft and Wishbone and every other salad-dressing maker in the world, which is, of course, absurd. I am amazed that anyone does not see this as completely obvious.
These guys are desperate for any way to "hit back" at the Trump administration, even something as petty as this.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostAnd therein lies the problem robert. You're just going to presume it was meant in a light-hearted manner and hand wave it off when it was most definitely not. This is evidenced by how a gravely serious Wolf Blitzer rationalized spending precious air time by proclaiming that "Even though SNL deals in comedy, what they said about the President rings true for a lot of you, apparently. So, did the show accurately capture a mood, or did it go off track for comedic effect?" They weren't playing around here. They studiously dissected the jokes.
Similarly, the fact checkers at the Washington Post were also exceedingly serious a couple years later when SNL ran another skit that likewise poked fun at Obama. The jokes were solemnly examined an executive order of his dealing with immigration:
You can look at the rest of the article yourself and try to tell me it was simply "trying to engage with a humorous skit and therefore was presumably also intended as light." CNN and the Washington Post were fact checking freaking comedy skits because they dared criticize Obama. I should also add that Zachary Goldfarb, the Post's policy editor, would later staunchly defend the paper's probe of the comedy skit for accuracy afterwards when it resulted in guffaws.
Complaining about the accuracy is one thing but were supposed top tier news organizations employing fact checkers to investigate the skits?
No. They were specifically going after Trump for expressing his opinion that Streep is "one of the most over-rated actresses in Hollywood" as the title of the piece ("FACT CHECK: Streep overrated? Trump picks a decorated star") indicates and the spirited defense of her evidences. It had nothing whatsoever to do with being a "playful but rather critical of Trump's tendency to get into stupid Twitter feuds." That is you just trying to spin the media's obsession with criticizing any and everything Trump says or does. And it isn't like he hasn't provided them with ammunition but these fact checks on Russian dressing and his opinion of Streep exposes just how far they'll go not to miss an opportunity.
If you start watching the news and thinking "who would this be on tweb?" the motivations start to make a lot more sense.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Postrobrecht seems to be on this kick lately where he tries to catch people in "errors" by splitting hairs, ignoring nuance, and refusing to accept any further explanation.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThey are doing the equivalent of what happens on TWEB when someone doesn't want to admit that the other person's analogy holds water. Instead of accepting the main point of the analogy and responding, or even admitting the other person is right, they will start attacking the analogy, nitpicking parts that don't correspond exactly with the point they are discussing in an effort to deflect. I find it hilarious to see the MSM using the same tactics as people use here on tweb. They want to seem so professional, but they are basically just as petty as people on the internet and facebook, arguing irrelevant points so they don't have to give an inch.
If you start watching the news and thinking "who would this be on tweb?" the motivations start to make a lot more sense.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostHe has always been like that. Death by a thousand cuts. He drives me nuts sometimes. I like robrecht but I really don't like debating him. It is so tiresome.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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