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    Quote Originally Posted by RumTumTugger View Post
    Sorry James it is Through Jesus we are saved not anyone else or a country no chosen or otherwise. To say otherwise is heretical.
    There are two (2) kinds of salvation.

    There is the physical salvation in this life time, and a second salvation in the after death life time.

    Much like the "second death" in that there is a physical death in this life time, and a spiritual death in the next life time, and both lead humanity into salvation.

    Jesus paid the penalty for everyone to be saved after death, but here and now in this world the physical salvation is far more complicated.

    Of course I do accept the name of heretic for myself, and I am thankful that orthodox Christians can no longer burn me alive as was done to my predecessors.

    And it is not a big stretch to declare that the USA and the UK saved (they saved) the world from Nazism and its allies.

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    Did jesus come to be a king? In one sense yes. However that sense is the only sense. He came to be king over the new heaven and earth and his death is our ransom price. It is up to the individual to accept the free gift of grace. If salvation was communal then we no longer have christianity but a christendom. A socially accepted politically ethic, but that does not save anyone. Christendom did not save in Coppenhagen when Kierkegaard spoke against it neither did the cult of the ss when Dietrich Bonehoeffer preached against it. Now we call ourselves a Christian nation. Not to say that we are all christians but because christian values helped to build this nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Cusick View Post
    There are two (2) kinds of salvation.

    Of course I do accept the name of heretic for myself, and I am thankful that orthodox Christians can no longer burn me alive as was done to my predecessors.

    And it is not a big stretch to declare that the USA and the UK saved (they saved) the world from Nazism and its allies.
    Many different types of heresy and according to what faith (religion) deems it toward an individual or group. Some religious groups consider us to be heretics because we believe that Jesus took the form (physical) of God. Both Christian and Jewish groups suffered in a land that was "not" of their own or with their own people but nothing like what you described. In some cultures, in the middle east, and some in Europe regard certain "faiths" outside of Christianity as some form of heresy - Baha'i Faith, for instance, was considered an Islamic heresy. So, I don't know what predecessors burned people alive for their faiths/believes but people are free to believe whatever they want. Whether it is wrong or whether it is a different direction from the rest of society - it is their faith.

    Some say, "You can not consume all of religion" without making an error or having an opinion that might be different from the rest. You can't be over in raged at people to do them harm - if you carry the basics that's all that required. Luke 10:30 "33But when a Samaritan on a journey came upon him, he looked at him and had compassion.…"the end of that passage is the wisdom of Jesus, "37“The one who showed him mercy,” replied the expert in the law. Then Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.”…


    We think that if someone doesn't follow the norms of our religion (each according to one's own faith) then they are like lepers of the group. We take no pity on them and even seclude them from the rest of society - which, I think, makes the matters worse for both sides - it is a given opportunity. King David - in the same respect, was punished for the 'sin' he had on his soul but was given choices to reprieve. We say that Jesus came to the lost tribe of Israel - even so, many of the one's he healed (outside) of the faith - found their reprievement. See Luke 13:15“You hypocrites!” the Lord replied, “Does not each of you on the Sabbath untie his ox or donkey from the stall and lead it to water? 16Then should not this daughter of Abraham, whom Satan has bound for eighteen long years, be released from her bondage on the Sabbath” day? 17When Jesus said this, all His adversaries were humiliated. And the whole crowd rejoiced at all the glorious things He was doing.…
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    Psalm 69, "13 But I pray to you, Lord, in the time of your favor; in your great love, O God,
    answer me with your sure salvation."

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWall View Post
    Did jesus come to be a king? In one sense yes. However that sense is the only sense. He came to be king over the new heaven and earth and his death is our ransom price. It is up to the individual to accept the free gift of grace. If salvation was communal then we no longer have christianity but a christendom. A socially accepted politically ethic, but that does not save anyone. Christendom did not save in Coppenhagen when Kierkegaard spoke against it neither did the cult of the ss when Dietrich Bonehoeffer preached against it. Now we call ourselves a Christian nation. Not to say that we are all christians but because christian values helped to build this nation.
    John 6:37, "All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away." Grace is a gift.

    John 6: 37 is in line with, "You shall "love" the Lord "Your" God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. What is loving God "with all your heart?" When your deepest desire is to fulfill His will.

    For example, consider someone who has a meaningful career that requires him to work on Shabbat. Love of God means that if your career does not align with what God wants, then you're resigned to give it up. Not because you agree to suffer, but because it's no longer your desire. You've reached the level where your will, and the will of God, become one.

    What is loving God "with all your soul?" That's using all your energy and talents to serve God. Even if it involves pain or humiliation. And even if it means going so far as to give up your life. LINK

    Read: Edna St. Vincent Millay (1892–1950). Renascence

    "The Father's will is, that not one of those who were given to the Son, should be rejected or lost by him. No one will come, till Divine grace has subdued, and in part changed his heart; therefore no one who comes will ever be cast out." Matthew Henry Commentary
    Last edited by Marta; 04-19-2017 at 08:27 AM.
    Psalm 69, "13 But I pray to you, Lord, in the time of your favor; in your great love, O God,
    answer me with your sure salvation."

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Cusick View Post
    The point and purpose of having a chosen people and chosen nations were to save the rest of humanity through them.

    That is the task of the USA and Britain which intensifies in the last (latter) days.

    As such the people of Israel (called by the name of Isaac / Saxon) are to save the lost sheep of humanity.

    The people of Israel were never the lost sheep - it was the rest of humanity who were lost to God.

    Israel was to act as a shepherd and were to save the lost sheep.

    The Bible is about God saving all of humanity and not some small group of people - it is the Father getting reconciliation for all His lost children.
    Fullness: LINK

    "In Romans 11, Paul discusses the fate of the nation of Israel, which has rejected its Messiah. Beginning in verse 11, Paul explains God's purpose in Israel's unbelief. He says that God's plan is to use Israel's unbelief to bring about the salvation of the Gentiles, which in turn will provoke Israel to faith in their own Messiah. Then in verse 12, he contrasts the results of Israel's transgression/defeat for the world with the results of their "fullness" for the world. Paul does not spell out the results here, but verse 15 speaks of "life from the dead." This phrase has been interpreted to mean either an extensive turning to faith in Christ by the Gentiles or the actual resurrection in conjunction with the return of Christ. But it seems clear that in this context, "fullness" refers to an extensive acceptance of Jesus as the Messiah by the nation of Israel. The illustration of the olive tree in verses 17-24 makes the point that God is able to regraft the natural branches (unbelieving Israelites) back into their own olive tree (salvation brought about through Israel's Messiah).

    The conclusion of Paul's treatment of Israel's unbelief is presented in 11:25-32. In verse 26 he clearly states that through God's plan the nation of Israel will be saved, brought to faith in Jesus. Israel's temporary unbelief will last only until the "fullness" of the Gentiles comes about (v. 25). Although the meaning of this entire passage is intensely debated, this verse seems to refer to the complete number of the elect among the Gentiles who must be saved before the conversion of Israel and the coming of Christ.

    In Romans 13:10, Paul asserts that the "fullness" or complete purpose of the law is love. He speaks of himself in 15:29 as coming to the church at Rome in the "fullness of the blessing of Christ." Both are straightforward statements about the completeness of abundance that the word "fullness" implies."


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    Question: "What are the times of the Gentiles?"

    Answer: "In Luke 21:24, Jesus speaks of future events, including the destruction of Jerusalem and His return. He says that “Jerusalem will be trampled underfoot by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled” (ESV). A similar phrase is found in Romans 11:25, which says, “A partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in” (ESV). Does the Bible tell us what the phrase “times of the Gentiles” means?

    The Old Testament does not contain this exact phrase, but there are references that seem to match up. Ezekiel 30:3 points to “a time of doom for the nations” in connection with the Day of the Lord. Daniel’s series of visions deals with Gentile world powers and their role in God’s plan for the earth. Nebuchadnezzar’s image of gold, silver, bronze, iron, and clay (Daniel 2:31–45) represents successive Gentile kingdoms that will dominate until Christ returns and establishes His reign. Daniel’s vision of the four beasts (Daniel 7:1–27) likewise speaks of four kings, or nations, which will dominate for a time until Christ comes to rule forever. The vision of the ram and the goat (Daniel 8:1–26) gives more detail about these Gentile rulers and the time involved in their dominion. In each of these passages, the Gentiles have dominion over the world, including the Jewish people, for a time, but God will ultimately subdue them all and establish His own kingdom once and for all. Each prophecy culminates with a reference to Christ's kingdom, so the “times” of these Gentile rulers would be all the years between the Babylonian Empire of Nebuchadnezzar and the glorious return of Christ to establish His kingdom. We are now living in “the times of the Gentiles,” that is, in the era of Gentile domination."

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    Psalm 69, "13 But I pray to you, Lord, in the time of your favor; in your great love, O God,
    answer me with your sure salvation."

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