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  • #31
    Originally posted by James Cusick View Post
    That message gives us realistic assurance that God is actively in control of the entire planet earth and of all human history and activity, and that message gives us factual proof for the real existence of God as an active reality.

    That message also opens up the Bible to a far more real and dynamic interpretation which people can more easily understand.

    Plus it is just the truth, and the truth will set us free, and the truth has inherent power in itself.


    There is a difference between Israel and Jewish, and different from Gentile.

    So yes it makes a lot of difference.

    The people who were given the birthright promise were to be called after the name of Isaac = as in Saxon (sons of Isaac).

    Genesis 21:12 "... for in Isaac shall thy seed be called."
    first of all America is a melting pot of people from all over the world, so it is impossible to say that American is a descendant of one of the lost tribes. Second, Britain was peopled long before the 10 tribes were still in the middle east, and it was later influxed with Romans who are definitely NOT descendants of the 10 tribes. So in absolutely NO way are Britain or the USA descendants of the lost tribes.

    so if you do want the truth, it is that you are completely wrong. But I suspect that you are not interested in the truth, just in finding "proof" of what you already want to believe. No matter what. I eagerly await you handwaving away this post like you do all the others that prove you wrong.

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    • #32
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      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
      first of all America is a melting pot of people from all over the world, so it is impossible to say that American is a descendant of one of the lost tribes. Second, Britain was peopled long before the 10 tribes were still in the middle east, and it was later influxed with Romans who are definitely NOT descendants of the 10 tribes. So in absolutely NO way are Britain or the USA descendants of the lost tribes.
      It tells this in the book = The United States & Britain in Prophesy:

      Here it is from the Bible:
      "For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth."
      KJV, Amos 9:9

      So yes the USA is known as a melting pot like sifting people in a sieve.

      This is not making up "proof" as this is what God tells us in the scriptures.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by James Cusick View Post
        It tells this in the book = The United States & Britain in Prophesy:

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        Herbert Armstrong!!!

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        That's what
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        • #34
          Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
          Herbert Armstrong!!!

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          Yesh!
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          • #35
            Originally posted by James Cusick View Post
            It tells this in the book = The United States & Britain in Prophesy:

            Here it is from the Bible:
            "For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth."
            KJV, Amos 9:9

            So yes the USA is known as a melting pot like sifting people in a sieve.

            This is not making up "proof" as this is what God tells us in the scriptures.
            A sieve is the exact opposite of a melting pot. A sieve sorts and filters out something from a mix, a melting pot combines everything together.

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            • #36
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              Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
              Herbert Armstrong!!!

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              Originally posted by Littlejoe View Post
              Yesh!
              I do not approve of attacking a messenger instead of addressing the message.

              That is a spineless ploy.

              And I do not preach or follow Armstrong, and this message was simply shortened by Armstrong as it came many years before Armstrong.



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              Originally posted by Sparko View Post
              A sieve is the exact opposite of a melting pot. A sieve sorts and filters out something from a mix, a melting pot combines everything together.
              It is not hard to figure out that it first goes through the sieve and then into the melting pot - duh.

              If you are really that determined to reject the message then reject it - I am not trying to push it onto anyone.

              This is just offered as a discussion if anyone wants to discuss the topic.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by James Cusick View Post
                I do not approve of attacking a messenger instead of addressing the message.

                That is a spineless ploy.
                No it isn't...

                That's what
                - She

                Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                - Stephen R. Donaldson

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by James Cusick View Post
                  I do not approve of attacking a messenger instead of addressing the message.

                  That is a spineless ploy.

                  And I do not preach or follow Armstrong, and this message was simply shortened by Armstrong as it came many years before Armstrong.



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                  It is not hard to figure out that it first goes through the sieve and then into the melting pot - duh.

                  If you are really that determined to reject the message then reject it - I am not trying to push it onto anyone.

                  This is just offered as a discussion if anyone wants to discuss the topic.
                  No you don't put something through a sieve and then into a melting pot. Why can't you just actually address the arguments people are giving you instead of trying to find ways to hand wave them away?

                  The point I was making is that you can't claim the USA is the descendant of the lost tribes any more than any other country. The lost tribes were scattered among all of the nations. And the USA isn't even of one nation, but of all nations combined. French, English, Irish, German, African, Asian, and yes even Middle Eastern and Jewish. I am sure some of the descendants of the Lost Tribes are in the USA, but as a very minor part, and they are in every other country too.

                  In fact if you take any person's ancestry, you have 2 parents, 4 grandparents, 8 grandparents, and so on right? Well if you go back 2000 years, each person has more ancestors than there were people alive back then. Which means we are all so mixed up that we all probably have some of the lost tribes as our ancestors, as well as the babylonians, romans, and every other peoples of the ancient world.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by James Cusick View Post


                    The people who were given the birthright promise were to be called after the name of Isaac = as in Saxon (sons of Isaac).

                    Genesis 21:12 "... for in Isaac shall thy seed be called."
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                    Source: Online Etymology Dictionary


                    Saxon (n.)

                    c. 1200, from Late Latin Saxonem (nominative Saxo; also source of French Saxon, Spanish Sajon, Italian Sassone), usually found in plural Saxones, from a Germanic source (Old English Seaxe, Old High German Sahsun, German Sachse "Saxon"), with a possible literal sense of "swordsmen" (compare Old English seax, Old Frisian, Old Norse sax "knife, short sword, dagger," Old High German Saxnot, name of a war-god), from Proto-Germanic *sahsam "knife," from PIE *sek- "to cut"



                    Source

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                    Your linguistic evidence is as bad as your other evidence.
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                    • #40
                      Reply:

                      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                      No you don't put something through a sieve and then into a melting pot. Why can't you just actually address the arguments people are giving you instead of trying to find ways to hand wave them away?
                      It is a metaphor.

                      As if you could not figure that out.

                      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                      The point I was making is that you can't claim the USA is the descendant of the lost tribes any more than any other country. The lost tribes were scattered among all of the nations. And the USA isn't even of one nation, but of all nations combined. French, English, Irish, German, African, Asian, and yes even Middle Eastern and Jewish. I am sure some of the descendants of the Lost Tribes are in the USA, but as a very minor part, and they are in every other country too.

                      In fact if you take any person's ancestry, you have 2 parents, 4 grandparents, 8 grandparents, and so on right? Well if you go back 2000 years, each person has more ancestors than there were people alive back then. Which means we are all so mixed up that we all probably have some of the lost tribes as our ancestors, as well as the babylonians, romans, and every other peoples of the ancient world.
                      Here it is (again) from the Bible:
                      "For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth."
                      KJV, Amos 9:9

                      God can sift people like through a sieve because with God all things are possible, and because the Bible says so, see quote from Amos 9:9 above.

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                      • #41
                        Reply:

                        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                        Online Etymology Dictionary
                        Saxon (n.)

                        c. 1200, from Late Latin Saxonem (nominative Saxo; also source of French Saxon, Spanish Sajon, Italian Sassone), usually found in plural Saxones, from a Germanic source (Old English Seaxe, Old High German Sahsun, German Sachse "Saxon"), with a possible literal sense of "swordsmen" (compare Old English seax, Old Frisian, Old Norse sax "knife, short sword, dagger," Old High German Saxnot, name of a war-god), from Proto-Germanic *sahsam "knife," from PIE *sek- "to cut"
                        Source

                        Your linguistic evidence is as bad as your other evidence.
                        A dictionary is not the only way to define words, especially words from old history and from the Bible.

                        Saxon meaning "son of Isaac" is another way of interpreting the name Saxon, and it is explained better in the source book in the OP.

                        The old Hebrew writings did not have vowels.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by James Cusick View Post
                          It is a metaphor.

                          As if you could not figure that out.
                          No it is you not understanding what a sieve is. Or a melting pot. And trying to handwave away evidence that shows your reasoning is faulty. You are misusing bible quotes to justify your wacky beleifs. It is called Eisogesis, or reading into the text your preconceived notions and ignoring anything contrary.



                          Here it is (again) from the Bible:
                          "For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth."
                          KJV, Amos 9:9

                          God can sift people like through a sieve because with God all things are possible, and because the Bible says so, see quote from Amos 9:9 above.
                          He is saying he will scatter them among all of the nations yet will keep an eye on them. It means that they are dispersed and living all over the world, they did not become the nations of Britain or the USA. They no longer exist as a people, a tribe or a nation. They are scattered and alone.

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                          • #43
                            Reply:

                            Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                            He is saying he will scatter them among all of the nations yet will keep an eye on them. It means that they are dispersed and living all over the world, they did not become the nations of Britain or the USA. They no longer exist as a people, a tribe or a nation. They are scattered and alone.
                            Yes I get that.

                            Then God gathered His people back together from the 4 corners of the earth as done in the last days as one great nation and a multitude of other nations.

                            It tells all of this in detail if any one reads that book = The United States and Britain in Prophesy

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by James Cusick View Post
                              Yes I get that.

                              Then God gathered His people back together from the 4 corners of the earth as done in the last days as one great nation and a multitude of other nations.

                              It tells all of this in detail if any one reads that book = The United States and Britain in Prophesy
                              It tells you that in the bible, but gathering his people happens during the tribulation. And they are gathered out of every nation. Which means you can't claim that the USA or Britain are the nations of the lost tribes. It is just ridiculous.

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                              • #45
                                Reply:

                                Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                                Many other European powers also had empires that were global in extent during this time. Spain was well entrenched in North America (Mexico and the Carribean), controlled nearly all of South America, and had colonies in Africa and Asia as well. France arguably had more territory in North America under their control than did Britain (although not for long -- but Britain would also lose control of a great deal of their holdings in North America as well), South America, huge swaths of Africa, and scattered but significant holdings in Asia.
                                A lot of other nations are exposed in that book, and I myself do not know the old ancient identity of all, but I do know some.

                                I do not know about Spain but I am sure it is a major reference for God.

                                The people of France are said to be the Biblical tribe of Reuben, Genesis 49:3

                                The German people (Aryan) were the old Assyrians.

                                Italy were decedents of the Babylonians.

                                Denmark (Danish) = the tribe of Dan.

                                Others are exposed too but my memory fails me and I do not have the time now to do the research.

                                In the ancient past it was very common for large numbers of people to move or travel long distances, just as the Bible tells that Israel was moved to Assyria, and the people of Judah (the Jews) were moved to Babylon. And a big population back then was maybe 10,000 people while 100,000 was a massive population, so moving to a different land was not so complicated, and many people were still nomadic.

                                It is explained better in that book = The OP:

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