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Originally posted by James Cusick View PostThat is kind-of true
People cannot just 'kinda' disobey God.
There would be no need for the cross were it not for serious trespass.
Originally posted by James Cusick View PostEvery person is a child of God - and God will SAVE every one of His children.
HINT: I'm very sympathetic to your view but you've got to back it with Scripture.
Originally posted by James Cusick View PostAnd the commandments are there for people to choose life and to live better, instead of the commandments being misused for condemnation.
1: The law's role is to condemn us - Romans 3:19
2: We aren't to live by the law, not even as a guide - Romans 6:14
Originally posted by James Cusick View PostI understand the claim that your God is the God of only a few select people, but I am referring to the God of all humanity, without any person getting lost or left out.
You attempted to apply a text written to Christians and about Christians to all people.
I made no statements about God reigning over only a few select people.
Originally posted by James Cusick View PostThe text has broader applications, and God is so much bigger than that.
I agree God is much bigger than we can comprehend; however, that isn't a license to begin making bold proclamations about what He is going to do what He isn't going to do. You need to make your case with Scripture and you haven't done that yet.Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101
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Originally posted by James Cusick View PostAll of those are misguided and misinterpretations.
The old Greek word for Hell was Hades from the old Greek religion, and Hades was the God of the underworld.
The Gospel is written in the old Greek language yes, but Jesus did not preach the Greek religion.
Regardless, it was addressed as a real place that would be inhabited - and you have to deal with that.
This hand waving is not acceptable.Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101
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Originally posted by Meh Gerbil View PostHell is a translation of three different words, one of the words being 'Hades' but another popular one being 'Gehenna', a reference to the dump outside Jerusalem.
Regardless, it was addressed as a real place that would be inhabited - and you have to deal with that.
This hand waving is not acceptable.The last Christian left at tweb
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Originally posted by Trout View PostMossrose? Is that you?Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101
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Originally posted by Trout View PostI'm now curled up in a ball, scared of this hades thing you have going?Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101
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Originally posted by Trout View PostThe doctrine of hell makes people squeamish. What if we loved God's holiness so much that we actually rejoiced at those burning in hades?
That's a creepy thought
If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!
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Originally posted by James Cusick View PostThe reason that every person throughout humanity does get SAVED is because Jesus paid the punishment (or penalty) in full for all of humanity, and so not even one (1) sinful sheep will remain lost or left out.
Every claim contrary to that simple truth is just human fear and confusion and absurdities.
We are to love our enemies just as God loves His enemies = Matthew 5:43-48, and love does not burn people in torment and there is no place of Hell.
As to the "Lake of Fire" the scriptures say that the fire purifies and cleans the person.
See it here = If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. KJV, 1 Corinthians 3:15
The sinful works shall be burned - while the person is SAVED.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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First I have to say that I am not very fast or efficient at making my comments or postings and I am on a PC and do not use my phone for the internet, and I have a book club tonight and other things to do so I will reply to everyone as soon or as effectively as I can, but I do not want anyone to think that I am cast off or rejected when I am not.
I will always be back tomorrow at some time of day - unless my internet goes down or some other diversion.
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Originally posted by Christianbookworm View PostThere are humans who are like those feral cats in that they would not want to be saved. For God to save them against their will would be like keeping a wild animal as a pet.
On the Judgement Day then every person will become a believer and a repentant and Jesus already paid for their sins.
Originally posted by Christianbookworm View PostAnd what about those who committed untypeable(I'd say unspeakable, but I'm typing and not speaking, so...) acts? Shouldn't there be justice for their victims? Why should they get to go to the same place as an innocent baby when they are unrepentant jerks?
There is no distinction between sinners, as big sinners and small sinners - because all fall short and all are guilty, and so forgiveness is for everyone.
True justice is based on mercy.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostPretty much Meh Gerbil is right. You can't really debate with nutjobs that just throw out any evidence that they are wrong and quote-mine the bible to claim they are right. They are not reasonable or open to logic.
I welcome any so called nutjob to talk to me and I will be respectful to everyone.
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Originally posted by Meh Gerbil View PostNo, it was absolutely true.
People cannot just 'kinda' disobey God.
There would be no need for the cross were it not for serious trespass.
and Jesus paid in full on that cross.
Originally posted by Meh Gerbil View PostHell is a translation of three different words, one of the words being 'Hades' but another popular one being 'Gehenna', a reference to the dump outside Jerusalem.
Regardless, it was addressed as a real place that would be inhabited - and you have to deal with that.
You need to deal with that.
The word Hades was a Greek God from the Greek religion about people punished in the underworld - and Jesus did not preach the Greek religion.
Originally posted by Meh Gerbil View PostThis hand waving is not acceptable.
Originally posted by Meh Gerbil View PostShouldn't you be stocking up on ammo?
That one has no ammo for a realistic discussion for this topic.
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Originally posted by James Cusick View PostThe reason that every person throughout humanity does get SAVED is because Jesus paid the punishment (or penalty) in full for all of humanity, and so not even one (1) sinful sheep will remain lost or left out.
Every claim contrary to that simple truth is just human fear and confusion and absurdities.
We are to love our enemies just as God loves His enemies = Matthew 5:43-48, and love does not burn people in torment and there is no place of Hell.
As to the "Lake of Fire" the scriptures say that the fire purifies and cleans the person.
See it here = If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. KJV, 1 Corinthians 3:15
The sinful works shall be burned - while the person is SAVED.
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