Invoking the guidance of God, in our civil affairs.

[OtherCheek]

I watched the Glenn Beck 8/28 rally online Saturday. I agreed completely with Glenn's sentiments when he told the crowd that he had begun planning his march on Washington a year ago, thinking “it was supposed to be political.”

“And then I kind of feel like God dropped a giant sandbag on my head,” he said.

“My role, as I see it, is to wake America up to the backsliding of principles and values and most of all of God,” he said. “We are a country of God. As I look at the problems in our country, quite honestly, I think the hot breath of destruction is breathing on our necks and to fix it politically is a figure that I don’t see anywhere.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/us...l?pagewanted=2

I agree that the answers to America's current problems aren't to be found in politics but rather in a return to faith in God, and a return to living by those principles that helped form this nation.

[Seasanctuary]

We could, for example, require everyone to sign a statement of faith before they can vote.

[Psychic Missile]

Ironically it's hatemongers like Glenn Beck who hold back the country from reaching it's potential.

[OtherCheek]

We could, for example, require everyone to sign a statement of faith before they can vote.

Do you think that God and the Bible should be eliminated from having influence over public policy?

[OtherCheek]

Ironically it's hatemongers like Glenn Beck who hold back the country from reaching it's potential.

Oh, you're so sarcastic. You must listen to Beck a lot, because you know how to make fun of atheists and liberals.

[Hamster]

Do you think that God and the Bible should be eliminated from having influence over public policy?

They have influence in that they provide a moral structure for the people that believe in them. But how much does one want to use the bible to rule over one's neighbor? A lot of people would say that Mormon doctrines are unbiblical (just look at all the arguments in the LDS forum) - would you appreciate it if the government started to make rules in opposition to your Mormon beliefs because of what traditional Christians consider idolatry, blasphemy, etc. ?

[Darth Executor]

We could, for example, require everyone to sign a statement of faith before they can vote.

Baby steps, baby steps. Let's have everyone sign a statement that they're not you first, then we'll see about expanding it to ban belief systems that vote democrat overwhelmingly.

[OtherCheek]

They have influence in that they provide a moral structure for the people that believe in them. But how much does one want to use the bible to rule over one's neighbor? A lot of people would say that Mormon doctrines are unbiblical (just look at all the arguments in the LDS forum) - would you appreciate it if the government started to make rules in opposition to your Mormon beliefs because of what traditional Christians consider idolatry, blasphemy, etc. ?

In don't believe people of faith should force their viewpoints on others, and neither do I think that atheists and liberals should force their viewpoints on people either. But especially, I am against forcing out the voice of faith and religion from the public square. When our nation was founded and gained its independence from Britain, expressions of faith, prayer, and importuning the guidance of God occurred on a frequent basis in our public square. I DON'T think this should be eliminated, from the public forums just because a few liberal elites think they are smarter than God when it comes to leading this nation.

I don't believe ANY voice of faith should be forced out by the government. Whether it be Mormon, Catholic, Jewish, Protestant, Muslim, Hindu, etc. None should be forced into silence in the public square.

[gharfish]

..........I agree that the answers to America's current problems aren't to be found in politics but rather in a return to faith in God, and a return to living by those principles that helped form this nation.

I have seen only a few brief clips on Geraldo at Large the night of the day of the Restoring Honor speech(es). I then took Beck's admonitions, overall, to mean that we (Americans) ought to stop conducting our personal lives in an immoral fashion. Getting back to God also meant we should return to a trusting in Him too, I figured.




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[seanD]

I watched the Glenn Beck 8/28 rally online Saturday. I agreed completely with Glenn's sentiments when he told the crowd that he had begun planning his march on Washington a year ago, thinking “it was supposed to be political.”

“And then I kind of feel like God dropped a giant sandbag on my head,” he said.

“My role, as I see it, is to wake America up to the backsliding of principles and values and most of all of God,” he said. “We are a country of God. As I look at the problems in our country, quite honestly, I think the hot breath of destruction is breathing on our necks and to fix it politically is a figure that I don’t see anywhere.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/us...l?pagewanted=2

I agree that the answers to America's current problems aren't to be found in politics but rather in a return to faith in God, and a return to living by those principles that helped form this nation.

Invoking politics and theology is one of the most dangerous mixtures a single American can make. We abide by the Constitution, not principles and values that one individual claims is of God. I know that will come as a shock, but not every American agrees with those principles and values, which is why we are governed by a set of fixed Amendments, most of which are non-religious. Now, I agree in theological principle, the reason this empire is crumbling, and will continue to crumble, is because of raw unadulterated corruption based on its abandonment of faith in God, but that's unfortunately the paradox we're in. I certainly don't need the likes of the well paid actor Glenn Beck telling me what these principles and values are that we should be following.

[Tanakh Keeper]

I agree that the answers to America's current problems aren't to be found in politics but rather in a return to faith in God, and a return to living by those principles that helped form this nation.

I agree. However, each person should do this on their own. No entity should attempt to force them on others. We should control ourselves, not others.

[OtherCheek]

I have seen only a few brief clips on Geraldo at Large the night of the day of the Restoring Honor speech(es). I then took Beck's admonitions, overall, to mean that we (Americans) ought to stop conducting our personal lives in an immoral fashion. Getting back to God also meant we should return to a trusting in Him too, I figured.

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We should not attempt to expunge God and religious morality from the public forum. That is the issue.

[OtherCheek]

I agree. However, each person should do this on their own. No entity should attempt to force them on others. We should control ourselves, not others.

Yes. We cannot force behavior or faith on others. That is impossible to do, and should not be "attempted" to do. The issue I am focusing on, is this:

Is it proper for our nation to attempt to expunge the topic of God, and morality and religion from having a voice of influence in our public policy making?

[OtherCheek]

Invoking politics and theology is one of the most dangerous mixtures a single American can make. We abide by the Constitution, not principles and values that one individual claims is of God. I know that will come as a shock, but not every American agrees with those principles and values, which is why we are governed by a set of fixed Amendments, most of which are non-religious. Now, I agree in theological principle, the reason this empire is crumbling, and will continue to crumble, is because of raw unadulterated corruption based on its abandonment of faith in God, but that's unfortunately the paradox we're in. I certainly don't need the likes of the well paid actor Glenn Beck telling me what these principles and values are that we should be following.

Do you think our government should force the expulsion and banishment of the religious and the faith-based perspective from having a voice of influence in our public policies?

[Seasanctuary]

Do you think that God and the Bible should be eliminated from having influence over public policy?

Should have the same influence as Allah and the Quran. Or naturalist belief and Shakespeare.

Religious freedom should be maximized, but maximized insofar as it can be for everyone.