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Still dodging the fact that by your own criteria the qur'an is not inspired by God I see
I'm always still in trouble again
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Originally posted by Same Hakeem View PostWhether the result of this contradiction (between 2 Kings 8:26 and 2 Chronicles 22:2) in the Bible today is due to copyist error or other reasons, the fact remains this contradiction (between 2 Kings 8:26 and 2 Chronicles 22:2) proves that the Bible today is not fully inspired by God.
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Originally posted by Same Hakeem View PostWhether the result of this contradiction (between 2 Kings 8:26 and 2 Chronicles 22:2) in the Bible today is due to copyist error or other reasons, the fact remains this contradiction (between 2 Kings 8:26 and 2 Chronicles 22:2) proves that the Bible today is not fully inspired by God.
I mean, I hope you have some sort of argument for your silly conclusion.
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Originally posted by Same Hakeem View PostSaying "He equates a copyist error in the Bible with God lying for some strange reason" is not true and I deny that God errs. The source of this contradiction must be human and hence the Bible today is not fully inspired by God.
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Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View PostI just take it to mean that the Bible is without error on what it teaches.
For instance, does it teach that Samuel the judge was an Ephraimite (1 Sam. 1) and a Levite ? Does it teach that Shem son of Noah lived 600 years ? (Rather than, say, Shem being legendary, or possibly a group, or some such ?) What is meant by “the Bible teaches” ? Is Psalm 114 teaching ?
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Originally posted by Rushing Jaws View PostSo what does it teach ?
For instance, does it teach that Samuel the judge was an Ephraimite (1 Sam. 1) and a Levite ? Does it teach that Shem son of Noah lived 600 years ? (Rather than, say, Shem being legendary, or possibly a group, or some such ?) What is meant by “the Bible teaches” ? Is Psalm 114 teaching ?
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Originally posted by Scrawly View PostYour cat just revealed to me that Shem did in fact live 600 years, and I'm not about to argue with those eyes.Last edited by Rushing Jaws; 06-19-2018, 03:20 AM.
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There are three things inerrancy is not: 1) Not the human reader. 2) Not the human copyist. 3) Not the human translator.
One thing it is: God's word.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Errancy in the Bible is found in the form of contraditions.
A contradition of doctrinal nature is found between Matthew 5:8 (pure hearted ones will see God) and 1 Timothy 6:16 (no one can see God).
Matthew 5:8 says "blessed those who are pure in heart for they shall see God" ; however, " no one can see God" according to 1 Timothy 6:16.
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Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View PostBecause?
I mean, I hope you have some sort of argument for your silly conclusion.
What matters is the unchanged fact that the Bible today is not fully inspired by God with such contradition despite how this contradition got in today Bible.
By the way, contradition between 2 kings 8:26 and 2 chronicles 22:2 is one of many contraditions in Bible today.
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Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View PostInerrancy says nothing about what it teaches other than that it is true. The interpretations are not guaranteed by inerrancy.
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Originally posted by Same Hakeem View PostThere are doctrinal contraditions in the Bible that cannot be due to interpretation. For example, matthew 5:8 says "blessed those who are pure in heart for THEY SHALL SEE GOD"; however, 1 Timothy 6:16 says " NO ONE CAN SEE GOD"Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post1 John 3:2 gives a clue how to resolve this apparent conundrum.
Still it does not provide us with a solution as 1 Timothy 6:16 says " NO one CAN see God" while Matthew 5:8 says " the pure in heart shall SEE GOD"
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