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  • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    He refuses to discuss the implications that his position has on Islam

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    • What inerrancy seems to mean, is that
      • there can be the appearance of contradiction, but not the reality of it;
      • manuscripts and editions of the Biblical texts can contain error, but the text as inspired will not;
      • perfect preservation of the text is not necessary;
      • the books can be human in every conceivable way, so they will use literary genres, tropes and rhetorical figures, but they will not assert as true what is not true;
      • the books sometimes describe things, not according to their constitution, but according to appearances;
      • the books can contain the record of error, but not the assertion of it as true;
      • the category of error includes misstatements of all kinds: moral, theological, doctrinal, geographical, historical, scientific, real (rather than purely verbal) contradictions between texts, real contradictions between the Bible and things outside the Bible;
      • the meaning that is inerrant, is not any meaning that can be derived from the text, but that meaning alone that can be ascertained as having been intended by the human secondary author working under the influence of God the Primary Author of Scripture. Determining what meaning is intended to be asserted by the authors of the Bible is therefore a work of exegesis, philosophy, linguistics, historical study and theology, and is of its nature undertaken in and for the Church at large.

      And that is scratching the surface.
      Last edited by Rushing Jaws; 07-03-2018, 11:43 PM.

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      • Originally posted by Rushing Jaws View Post
        What inerrancy seems to mean, is that
        • there can be the appearance of contradiction, but not the reality of it;
        • manuscripts and editions of the Biblical texts can contain error, but the text as inspired will not;
        • perfect preservation of the text is not necessary;
        • the books can be human in every conceivable way, so they will use literary genres, tropes and rhetorical figures, but they will not assert as true what is not true;
        • the books sometimes describe things, not according to their constitution, but according to appearances;
        • the books can contain the record of error, but not the assertion of it as true;
        • the category of error includes misstatements of all kinds: moral, theological, doctrinal, geographical, historical, scientific, real (rather than purely verbal) contradictions between texts, real contradictions between the Bible and things outside the Bible;
        • the meaning that is inerrant, is not any meaning that can be derived from the text, but that meaning alone that can be ascertained as having been intended by the human secondary author working under the influence of God the Primary Author of Scripture. Determining what meaning is intended to be asserted by the authors of the Bible is therefore a work of exegesis, philosophy, linguistics, historical study and theology, and is of its nature undertaken in and for the Church at large.

        And that is scratching the surface.
        Pick one contradiction. Show that it cannot be a matter of misinterpretation. Show that it is not caused by a common or an uncommon mistranslation. Show that it cannot be do to a copyist mistake or deliberate change to the text. Then you actually found one.
        . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

        . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

        Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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        • 37818 writing "Pick one contradiction. Show that it cannot be a matter of misinterpretation. Show that it is not caused by a common or an uncommon mistranslation. Show that it cannot be do to a copyist mistake or deliberate change to the text. Then you actually found one" is easily found through the Bible. For example, 1 Timothy 6:16 says "no one has seen God nor can see him" ;however, in Job 42:5 Job said to God "my eyes have seen you"

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          • Still unwilling to deal with the huge log in the eye of Islam before casting aspirations elsewhere I see.

            I'm always still in trouble again

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            • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
              Still unwilling to deal with the huge log in the eye of Islam before casting aspirations elsewhere I see.
              The word you were fishing for is "aspersions".

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              • Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                The word you were fishing for is "aspersions".

                You're welcome.
                Dang blasted auto correct. Usually get them.

                I'm always still in trouble again

                "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                  Dang blasted auto correct. Usually get them.
                  It's okay. It's Jaltus's fault anyway.

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                  • Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View Post
                    It's okay. It's Jaltus's fault anyway.
                    I'm not sure which one is correct, but Jaltus' fault looks and sounds better to me than Jaltus's fault.

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                    • Originally posted by Same Hakeem View Post
                      37818 writing "Pick one contradiction. Show that it cannot be a matter of misinterpretation. Show that it is not caused by a common or an uncommon mistranslation. Show that it cannot be do to a copyist mistake or deliberate change to the text. Then you actually found one" is easily found through the Bible. For example, 1 Timothy 6:16 says "no one has seen God nor can see him" ;however, in Job 42:5 Job said to God "my eyes have seen you"

                      I am still waiting on some to explain how God cannot be seen in 1 Timothy 6:16 when Job said his eyes saw God in Job 42:5.

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                      • Originally posted by Same Hakeem View Post
                        I am still waiting on some to explain how God cannot be seen in 1 Timothy 6:16 when Job said his eyes saw God in Job 42:5.
                        Theophany.

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                        • Originally posted by Same Hakeem View Post
                          I am still waiting on some to explain how God cannot be seen in 1 Timothy 6:16 when Job said his eyes saw God in Job 42:5.
                          You could start by realizing that Job 42:5 is written in poetic language, and that Job saying that his "eyes saw God" is a poetic way of saying that he now has personal, intimate knowledge of God, instead of just second hand knowledge about God from books or what he has heard from other people.

                          There, "contradiction" resolved. Didn't even need more than a sentence.

                          ETA: Oh, and lookie here. Sparko managed to do it in one word.

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                          • Obviously, Same had done intense research trying to find an answer.

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                            • My favorite contradiction is that in 2 Kings 8:26 the Bible says that Ahaziah was twenty-two years old when he began to reign. On the other hand, 2 Chronicles 22:2 says that Ahaziah was forty-two years old he began to reign in RSV and KJV.

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                              • Originally posted by Same Hakeem View Post
                                My favorite contradiction is that in 2 Kings 8:26 the Bible says that Ahaziah was twenty-two years old when he began to reign. On the other hand, 2 Chronicles 22:2 says that Ahaziah was forty-two years old he began to reign in RSV and KJV.
                                Old and stale. Copyiist error.


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