Innerancy.

[Same Hakeem]

So I see Hakeem has no other arguments, he just spams the same text over and over which many here have addressed.

You saying "So I see Hakeem has no other arguments, he just spams the same text over and over which many here have addressed" makes me ask you this question how many books in your Bible? 66 books of the protestant bible or 73 books of the catholic bible? or more?

[Sparko]

You saying "So I see Hakeem has no other arguments, he just spams the same text over and over which many here have addressed" makes me ask you this question how many books in your Bible? 66 books of the protestant bible or 73 books of the catholic bible? or more?

Don't forget the maps!

[Same Hakeem]

Don't forget the maps!

Sparko, does your bible have 66 books of the protestant or 73 of the catholic or more?

[Rushing Jaws]

Correct me if I am wrong but Innerancy seems to mean that despite textual errors or illusory contradictions the bible both testaments are still the divinely inspired teachings of God. If that is the case innerancy makes sense. I want to be sure though.

I corrected it.

Someone should correct the spelling of the name of the thread 😀🙃😵🙃🇬🇧

[Rushing Jaws]

In Leviticus 20:9, God orders that "anyone who curses his father or his mother must be put to death"

If human legal court does NOT order to kill a person for cursing his father, then surely the Bible errs here to say God ordered the killing a person for cursing his father.

[Rushing Jaws]

When the Bible in Hebrews 6:10 says "God is not unjust" but in contradiction God himself ordered to kill infants in 1 Samuel 15:3 and children in Ezk 9:6 and struck ALL the firstborn of Egypt in Exodus 12:29 when God commanded that "every person is to die for HIS OWN sin" in 2 Kings 14:6, this means either God practiced injustice or the Bible errs because there is no fairness in God killing innocents for the guilt of others. No human legal court would accept an innocent to die in the place of the criminal.

http://www.kchanson.com/ANCDOCS/westsem/mesha.html
, Suen, Enki, Inana, Ninurta, I[sh]kur, Utu, Nuska and Nisaba, all the gods whosoever, turned their attention to the city, and cursed Agade severely: "City, you pounced on E-kur: it is as if you had pounced on Enlil! Agade, you pounced on E-kur: it is as if you had pounced on Enlil! May your holy walls, to their highest point, resound with mourning! May your giguna be reduced to a pile of dust! May your pilasters with the standing lahama deities fall to the ground like tall young men drunk on wine! May your clay be returned to its abzu, may it be clay cursed by Enki! May your grain be returned to its furrow, may it be grain cursed by Ezinu! May your timber be returned to its forest, may it be timber cursed by Ninilduma! May the (1 ms. has instead: your) cattle slaughterer slaughter his wife, may your (some mss. have instead: the)http://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/section2/tr215.htm

[Christian3]

Sparko, does your bible have 66 books of the protestant or 73 of the catholic or more?

Same here is your answer from Christian scholar, Sam Sam Shamoun:

The 7 books which are included in the Catholic Bible are called the Jewish Apocrypha, literature compiled after the last O.T. book Malachi. These books are not inspired nor are they part of the Hebrew Bible. The Protestants reject these books for the following reasons:

1. They were never recognized by the Jews as being part of the canon of scripture since they were not written by inspired men of God. The Talmud states:

Our Rabbis taught: Since the death of the last prophets, Haggai, Zechariah, and Malachi, the Holy Spirit [of prophetic inspiration] departed from Israel. (Sanhedrin 11a)

This clearly demonstrates that the Jews viewed all the literature written after Malachi as being uninspired. It also affirms that the New Testament picks up where the Old leaves off, since the authors affirmed inspiration for their writings. (Cf. 2 Tim. 3:16-17; 1 Tim. 5:18- Luke 10:7; 2 Pet. 1:20-21, 3:15-16; Rev. 1:1-3)

In fact, certain books of the Apocrypha flat out deny inspiration. (Cf. 1 Maccabees 9:27) This fact alone is enough to convince someone of the uninspired status of these writings.

2. At the Council of Jamnia, A.D. 90, Rabbis headed by Yohannan ben Zakkai acknowledged the 39 books which comprise the present Hebrew and Protestant OT canon as the official Word of God. Everything else was discarded. It should be pointed that this Council did not make the books canonical, but arrived at the conclusion that only these particular books were received throughout the generations as being that which God inspired.

3. The Lord Jesus personally affirms the Protestant OT canon. During the time of Christ, the Old Testament was classified into three sections: "The Law," containing the five books of Moses. "The Prophets" which included two subdivisions. The first called "the Former Prophets" and included the books of Joshua, Judges, Ruth, Samuel and Kings. The second is called "the Latter Prophets" which included the books beginning with Isaiah to Ezekiel with the exception of Lamentations; and from Hosea to Malachi. These books were also subsumed into smaller lists such as combining the books from Hosea to Malachi together into one scroll called "the minor Prophets."

The third is "the Writings" or "Psalms." This section consisted first of Psalms, Proverbs and Job; then the "Scrolls" of Song of Songs, Lamentations, Ecclesiastes, Esther and finally Daniel, Ezra-Nehemiah, and Chronicles. This gives us a total of 39 OT books, the precise canon of books alluded to by Christ:

"And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me." Luke 24:44 KJV

Jesus affirms the OT division of the Law, the Prophets, and the Psalms/Writings as being those books which prophesied his coming. No mention of the Apocrypha at all.

4. The 7 books were not officially declared to be part of the Catholic OT canon until the Council of Trent, A.D. 1546. This was primarily in response to the Protestant Reformers such as Martin Luther and their attacks on doctrines such as indulgences. In one of these books, 2 Maccabees 12:46 (Douay), praying for the dead that they may be loosed from sins is commended. Hence, it is not hard to imagine why Catholics would want to include such a book since it supports their doctrine of praying for souls caught in purgatory, something rejected by the Reformers.

Yet, amazingly, a book which was not included as part of the canon, despite the fact that it also formed part of the Apocrypha literature, is 2 Esdras (4 Esdra by Roman Catholics). This book rejects prayers for the dead. (Cf. 2 Esdra 7:105) The acceptance of 2 Maccabees and the rejection of 2 Esdras affirms the total arbitrariness of the decision behind the choosing of books which supported Catholic doctrine, while rejecting those that did not.

5. The Quran acknowledges the canon of the Bible which existed at the time of Muhammad as being the Word of God. (Cf. S. 2:113; 3:79; 10:94) The canon which was in existence at that time were the 39 books of the OT and the 27 N.T. books. These are the books that form the present day canon of the Protestant Bible.

As was indicated, the canon of the OT had been finalized in the latter half of the first century. Whereas the New Testament canon was officially decided upon in the fourth century at the Council of Hippo (A.D. 393) and the Council of Carthage (A.D. 397).

Hence, any books which were added to the Bible after these Councils cannot be accepted as the Word of God. God has given the Church the 66 books of the Protestant Bible to form his infallible rule of Christian faith. This is a fact which the Quran affirms.

[Same Hakeem]

Same here is your answer from Christian scholar, Sam Sam Shamoun:

The 7 books which are included in the Catholic Bible are called the Jewish Apocrypha, literature compiled after the last O.T. book Malachi. These books are not inspired nor are they part of the Hebrew Bible. The Protestants reject these books for the following reasons:

1. They were never recognized by the Jews as being part of the canon of scripture since they were not written by inspired men of God. The Talmud states:

Our Rabbis taught: Since the death of the last prophets, Haggai, Zechariah, and Malachi, the Holy Spirit [of prophetic inspiration] departed from Israel. (Sanhedrin 11a)

This clearly demonstrates that the Jews viewed all the literature written after Malachi as being uninspired. It also affirms that the New Testament picks up where the Old leaves off, since the authors affirmed inspiration for their writings. (Cf. 2 Tim. 3:16-17; 1 Tim. 5:18- Luke 10:7; 2 Pet. 1:20-21, 3:15-16; Rev. 1:1-3)

In fact, certain books of the Apocrypha flat out deny inspiration. (Cf. 1 Maccabees 9:27) This fact alone is enough to convince someone of the uninspired status of these writings.

2. At the Council of Jamnia, A.D. 90, Rabbis headed by Yohannan ben Zakkai acknowledged the 39 books which comprise the present Hebrew and Protestant OT canon as the official Word of God. Everything else was discarded. It should be pointed that this Council did not make the books canonical, but arrived at the conclusion that only these particular books were received throughout the generations as being that which God inspired.

3. The Lord Jesus personally affirms the Protestant OT canon. During the time of Christ, the Old Testament was classified into three sections: "The Law," containing the five books of Moses. "The Prophets" which included two subdivisions. The first called "the Former Prophets" and included the books of Joshua, Judges, Ruth, Samuel and Kings. The second is called "the Latter Prophets" which included the books beginning with Isaiah to Ezekiel with the exception of Lamentations; and from Hosea to Malachi. These books were also subsumed into smaller lists such as combining the books from Hosea to Malachi together into one scroll called "the minor Prophets."

The third is "the Writings" or "Psalms." This section consisted first of Psalms, Proverbs and Job; then the "Scrolls" of Song of Songs, Lamentations, Ecclesiastes, Esther and finally Daniel, Ezra-Nehemiah, and Chronicles. This gives us a total of 39 OT books, the precise canon of books alluded to by Christ:

"And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me." Luke 24:44 KJV

Jesus affirms the OT division of the Law, the Prophets, and the Psalms/Writings as being those books which prophesied his coming. No mention of the Apocrypha at all.

4. The 7 books were not officially declared to be part of the Catholic OT canon until the Council of Trent, A.D. 1546. This was primarily in response to the Protestant Reformers such as Martin Luther and their attacks on doctrines such as indulgences. In one of these books, 2 Maccabees 12:46 (Douay), praying for the dead that they may be loosed from sins is commended. Hence, it is not hard to imagine why Catholics would want to include such a book since it supports their doctrine of praying for souls caught in purgatory, something rejected by the Reformers.

Yet, amazingly, a book which was not included as part of the canon, despite the fact that it also formed part of the Apocrypha literature, is 2 Esdras (4 Esdra by Roman Catholics). This book rejects prayers for the dead. (Cf. 2 Esdra 7:105) The acceptance of 2 Maccabees and the rejection of 2 Esdras affirms the total arbitrariness of the decision behind the choosing of books which supported Catholic doctrine, while rejecting those that did not.

5. The Quran acknowledges the canon of the Bible which existed at the time of Muhammad as being the Word of God. (Cf. S. 2:113; 3:79; 10:94) The canon which was in existence at that time were the 39 books of the OT and the 27 N.T. books. These are the books that form the present day canon of the Protestant Bible.

As was indicated, the canon of the OT had been finalized in the latter half of the first century. Whereas the New Testament canon was officially decided upon in the fourth century at the Council of Hippo (A.D. 393) and the Council of Carthage (A.D. 397).

Hence, any books which were added to the Bible after these Councils cannot be accepted as the Word of God. God has given the Church the 66 books of the Protestant Bible to form his infallible rule of Christian faith. This is a fact which the Quran affirms.

So the Bible is not one; there is the 66 books bible of the protestant, the 73 books bible of the Catholic, and 79 books bible of the Greek orthodox.

Each Christian of Protestant, Catholic, and Greek Orthodox claims that their bible is inspired and cannot be from God because God is not the author of confusion according to 1 Corinthians 14:33

[KingsGambit]

So the Bible is not one; there is the 66 books bible of the protestant, the 73 books bible of the Catholic, and 79 books bible of the Greek orthodox.

Each Christian of Protestant, Catholic, and Greek Orthodox claims that their bible is inspired and cannot be from God because God is not the author of confusion according to 1 Corinthians 14:33

Did you even read that? Be honest.

[Christian3]

So the Bible is not one; there is the 66 books bible of the protestant, the 73 books bible of the Catholic, and 79 books bible of the Greek orthodox.

Each Christian of Protestant, Catholic, and Greek Orthodox claims that their bible is inspired and cannot be from God because God is not the author of confusion according to 1 Corinthians 14:33

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PICKTHAL: Say (O Muslims): We believe in Allah and that which is revealed unto us and that which was revealed unto Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the tribes, and that which Moses and Jesus received, and that which the prophets received from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and unto Him we have surrendered.

Muslims are commanded to believe in God's Holy Bible. Notice that they must not make any distinction between the past revelations and the revelations in the Qur'an. The revelations of the Qur'an and the revelations of the Bible are to be accepted as equals.

You would be better off trying to defend your faith and explaining why the Qur'an contains so much Jewish and Christian folklore.

https://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/borrowing.htm

https://www.answering-islam.org/Book...ces0/index.htm

It appears Muhammad could not tell true revelation from the false.

[Christian3]

Did you even read that? Be honest.

Same Hakeem is not interested in a meaningful conversation.

[Same Hakeem]

Did you even read that? Be honest.

Sure I do. I have been reading the Bible(s) since I was 17 years old. I am now 37.

[Rushing Jaws]

So the Bible is not one; there is the 66 books bible of the protestant, the 73 books bible of the Catholic, and 79 books bible of the Greek orthodox.

Each Christian of Protestant, Catholic, and Greek Orthodox claims that their bible is inspired and cannot be from God because God is not the author of confusion according to 1 Corinthians 14:33

A fair argument, but it fails to recognise the massive overlap between the different canons of Scripture. In a treatment of the topic of canonicity, one must give all due attention both to the disagreements (which are real, and need to be accounted for) - and also to the agreementtheologically centralimportant in principle, is of relatively slight importance in practice

[Sparko]

Sparko, does your bible have 66 books of the protestant or 73 of the catholic or more?

Yes, it does.

[Same Hakeem]

Yes, it does.

Does it have 66 books or more?