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  • Originally posted by tabibito View Post
    No - it doesn't. Koine Greek is not English. The rules of grammar and syntax are not always the same.
    Please let us refer to Greek.

    "WE" in 1 Thess 4:17 is the Greek word "hemeis" which is defined as follows;

    ἡμεῖς (hēmeis)
    Personal / Possessive Pronoun - Nominative 1st Person Plural
    Strong's Greek 1473: I, the first-person pronoun. A primary pronoun of the first person I.

    https://biblehub.com/parallel/1_thessalonians/4-17.htm

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    • Originally posted by Same Hakeem View Post
      Please let us refer to Greek.

      "WE" in 1 Thess 4:17 is the Greek word "hemeis" which is defined as follows;

      ἡμεῖς (hēmeis)
      Personal / Possessive Pronoun - Nominative 1st Person Plural
      Strong's Greek 1473: I, the first-person pronoun. A primary pronoun of the first person I.

      https://biblehub.com/parallel/1_thessalonians/4-17.htm

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      • Originally posted by jpholding View Post
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        Is it "we" used anywhere to mean "they" in the New Testament?

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        • Originally posted by Same Hakeem View Post
          Is it "we" used anywhere to mean "they" in the New Testament?
          ημεις (we) can mean "members of our group" whether or not they are present, and whether or not we personally are included. αυτοι (they) usually means "not members of our group." Note the CAN and USUALLY in the explanation - neither applies through all circumstances ... either applies in certain contexts.
          Last edited by tabibito; 06-05-2019, 09:38 AM.
          1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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          Scripture before Tradition:
          but that won't prevent others from
          taking it upon themselves to deprive you
          of the right to call yourself Christian.

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          • Originally posted by Same Hakeem View Post
            Is it "we" used anywhere to mean "they" in the New Testament?
            When I say "We went to war with Germany" I mean "we" as Americans, not me as an individual. It is very common to use "we" to mean a race, people, species, kind, denomination.... "We" (Americans) put a man on the moon! I (personally) watched it on TV.

            So, in that sense, yes --- "we" can mean "they".
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
              When I say "We went to war with Germany" I mean "we" as Americans, not me as an individual. It is very common to use "we" to mean a race, people, species, kind, denomination.... "We" (Americans) put a man on the moon! I (personally) watched it on TV.

              So, in that sense, yes --- "we" can mean "they".
              Filed for future reference. And over here is a living example of just how "we" is used to indicate "they" when "they" are members of the same society that we are part of.
              Last edited by tabibito; 06-05-2019, 10:11 AM.
              1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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              Scripture before Tradition:
              but that won't prevent others from
              taking it upon themselves to deprive you
              of the right to call yourself Christian.

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              • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                When I say "We went to war with Germany" I mean "we" as Americans, not me as an individual. It is very common to use "we" to mean a race, people, species, kind, denomination.... "We" (Americans) put a man on the moon! I (personally) watched it on TV.

                So, in that sense, yes --- "we" can mean "they".
                Or even "we're going to win lots of games this year" referring to your favorite team in a certain sport.
                Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

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                • Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                  Or even "we're going to win lots of games this year" referring to your favorite team in a certain sport.
                  Absolutely -- driving home from an Astro's game yelling "WE WON!!!!" and never broke a sweat.
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • Originally posted by Same Hakeem View Post
                    Is it "we" used anywhere to mean "they" in the New Testament?
                    As folks hereafter point out, it's a frequent grammatical phenomenon, and it would also be typical of collectivist societies to speak of one's self and one's group in the collective. So stop being a fundamentalist moron.

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                    • Originally posted by jpholding View Post
                      As folks hereafter point out, it's a frequent grammatical phenomenon, and it would also be typical of collectivist societies to speak of one's self and one's group in the collective. So stop being a fundamentalist moron.
                      He has no idea what a synecdoche is apparently.

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                      • It seems Hakeem is having a bit of a problem seeing my posts. I will try again, even bigger.




                        Hakeem, do you believe that Allah destroyed all life on earth except for Noah and his family in the flood? Including women and children and sheep?

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                        • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                          Hakeem, do you believe that Allah destroyed all life on earth except for Noah and his family in the flood? Including women and children and sheep?
                          And when my wife says "we need to clean out the flower beds and add some mulch", she doesn't mean "WE" at all --- she means "YOU".
                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                            And when my wife says "we need to clean out the flower beds and add some mulch", she doesn't mean "WE" at all --- she means "YOU".
                            Yours too?

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                            • Originally posted by tabibito View Post
                              ημεις (we) can mean "members of our group" whether or not they are present, and whether or not we personally are included. αυτοι (they) usually means "not members of our group." Note the CAN and USUALLY in the explanation - neither applies through all circumstances ... either applies in certain contexts.
                              Please support your above statement with example from the New testament.

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                              • Originally posted by Same Hakeem View Post
                                Please support your above statement with example from the New testament.
                                It is adequately supported by what others here have posted. The Bible is not a grammar text.
                                1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
                                .
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                                Scripture before Tradition:
                                but that won't prevent others from
                                taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                                of the right to call yourself Christian.

                                ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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