Atheist False God

[ww24]

Most of the people who believe in God are doing blind belief, the majority of the people in the world are blindly following the religion of their fathers. An atheist, on the other hand, even though he may belong to a religious family, uses his intellect to deny the existence of God; what ever concept or qualities of God he may have learnt in his religion may not seem to be logical to him.

for an atheist to say ‘there is no God’, he should at least know the concept of God. His concept of God would be derived from the surroundings in which he lives. The god that a large number of people worship has got human qualities - therefore he does not believe in such a god. Similarly most people too does not and should not believe in such false gods

[element771]

Most of the people who believe in God are doing blind belief, the majority of the people in the world are blindly following the religion of their fathers. An atheist, on the other hand, even though he may belong to a religious family, uses his intellect to deny the existence of God; what ever concept or qualities of God he may have learnt in his religion may not seem to be logical to him.

for an atheist to say ‘there is no God’, he should at least know the concept of God. His concept of God would be derived from the surroundings in which he lives. The god that a large number of people worship has got human qualities - therefore he does not believe in such a god. Similarly most people too does not and should not believe in such false gods

[Steve007]

An atheist, on the other hand, even though he may belong to a religious family, uses his intellect to deny the existence of God;

Not really. The overwhelming majority of those atheists I have spoken to were confused theists that became confused atheists. In some ways, they are actually very similar to a lot of Christians that I know. They know very little about religion, they greatly overestimate their own intelligence when the topic is religion, and they are not even open to the possibility that they are wrong.

Many of them will also say they don't deny the existence of God. Instead, they will say that they don't know if God exists, and will claim that they lack a belief in God.

[Kane]

Not really. The overwhelming majority of those atheists I have spoken to were confused theists that became confused atheists. In some ways, they are actually very similar to a lot of Christians that I know. They know very little about religion, they greatly overestimate their own intelligence when the topic is religion, and they are not even open to the possibility that they are wrong.

Many of them will also say they don't deny the existence of God. Instead, they will say that they don't know if God exists, and will claim that they lack a belief in God.

That certainly may be the case as you've experienced it, and I'd be a fool to deny your direct experiences.

However, my difference with WW24's acclamation that an atheist "uses his intellect to deny the existence of God" is that such an assertion is only provable by the atheist admitting such a thing. What I note about atheists, agnostics, non-believers, etc., is that they are not using their intellect to deny the supernatural. Rather, by process of using the intellect non-believers arrive at a point where they cannot rationally agree to the existence of the supernatural.

The difference is quite explicitly different if given a moment's reflection.

[robertb]

Many of them will also say they don't deny the existence of God. Instead, they will say that they don't know if God exists, and will claim that they lack a belief in God.

Actually this is exactly what I mean when I say that I am an Atheist. I am Agnostic regarding knowledge, while Atheistic regarding belief.

There are, however, those who claim Gnostic Atheism, or strong Atheists, if you will. Such individuals have then made a positive claim of knowledge, and have, therefore, assumed the burden of proof.

[phaedrus]

Most of the people who believe in God are doing blind belief, the majority of the people in the world are blindly following the religion of their fathers. An atheist, on the other hand, even though he may belong to a religious family, uses his intellect to deny the existence of God; what ever concept or qualities of God he may have learnt in his religion may not seem to be logical to him.

for an atheist to say ‘there is no God’, he should at least know the concept of God. His concept of God would be derived from the surroundings in which he lives. The god that a large number of people worship has got human qualities - therefore he does not believe in such a god. Similarly most people too does not and should not believe in such false gods

I can't figure out what you're advocating here. Are you advocating something? You seem to be making general statements about 'most people'. I'm not sure if they're true or not because I haven't taken a poll.

[Oolon Colluphid]

WW24

I think "blindly following" is a bit of an exaggeration, especially here. Most theists I've encountered here don't fit that description. I regret that Steve 007 can't return the compliment, but then there are some rather hasty and overconfident atheists who post here - some, but I can't agree that the "overwhelming majority" is as Steve describes them. Neither can I accept that the majority of people in the world have blind faith.

I doubt anyone is going to argue that we shouldn't worship false gods. But who can tell the true from the false?

[lao tzu]

Evidence suggests that ww24 is a closet muslim.

This latest post seems to be spring from the muslims' "anthropomorphism" heresy. The heresy originates with ayah from the qur'an that describe Allah making Adam out of clay with his own hands. You can start a lovely fight on any muslim board by accusing one of them of holding that view.

[Steve007]

WW24

I think "blindly following" is a bit of an exaggeration, especially here. Most theists I've encountered here don't fit that description. I regret that Steve 007 can't return the compliment, but then there are some rather hasty and overconfident atheists who post here - some, but I can't agree that the "overwhelming majority" is as Steve describes them. Neither can I accept that the majority of people in the world have blind faith.

I doubt anyone is going to argue that we shouldn't worship false gods. But who can tell the true from the false?

I'm not just talking about the people on this forum. Most of the atheists that I've seen talk about religion have never posted here. Also, even though I think some people here have issues, in general I think the people here tend to know more about religion than the average person that never posts on a religious forums. When I'm not on the internet, if I decide to bring something up about Richard Dawkins, I'm sure I would get a lot of blank stares.

Also, the number of overconfident atheists on this forum seems low to me compared to the other places on the internet that have mostly atheists. There are a lot of comments that I would make here that wouldn't seem like a big deal, but if I make the same comments on other forums they would seem absurd to a lot of people. For example, if I claim that you can prove a negative, it's not really a big deal on this forum, but I've seen people get insulted for even suggesting this on another forum.

[Metacrock]

Most of the people who believe in God are doing blind belief, the majority of the people in the world are blindly following the religion of their fathers. An atheist, on the other hand, even though he may belong to a religious family, uses his intellect to deny the existence of God; what ever concept or qualities of God he may have learnt in his religion may not seem to be logical to him.

for an atheist to say ‘there is no God’, he should at least know the concept of God. His concept of God would be derived from the surroundings in which he lives. The god that a large number of people worship has got human qualities - therefore he does not believe in such a god. Similarly most people too does not and should not believe in such false gods

this is merely regurgitating the propaganda of the brain washing. Its' self flattering pablum for the cult to feel good about itself, it's a lie.

atheists are not indebtedness thinker, they are slaves to the group. The idea that religious people are just accepting the faith of their paretns is ignorant and a lie. I was an atheist. I became a Christian becuase God came along, it had nothing to do with my parents. If they had been involved in it I wouldn't have done it.

all I ever see atheists say on message board is repeat the same shallow, silly unthinking anti-intellectual twaddle they spoon fed from the propaganda gurus the worship.

[Psychic Missile]

all I ever see atheists say on message board is repeat the same shallow, silly unthinking anti-intellectual twaddle they spoon fed from the propaganda gurus the worship.

That really applies to the majority of people regardless of what they are espousing.

[element771]

Evidence suggests that ww24 is a closet muslim.

This latest post seems to be spring from the muslims' "anthropomorphism" heresy. The heresy originates with ayah from the qur'an that describe Allah making Adam out of clay with his own hands. You can start a lovely fight on any muslim board by accusing one of them of holding that view.

Thanks for the info....

In the interest of PC and appropriate decorum, i will now refrain from making joke which would have been assuredly in bad taste and insensitivity.

[Metacrock]

That really applies to the majority of people regardless of what they are espousing.

ahaahahah that is so true! ;-)

[Metacrock]

That certainly may be the case as you've experienced it, and I'd be a fool to deny your direct experiences.

However, my difference with WW24's acclamation that an atheist "uses his intellect to deny the existence of God" is that such an assertion is only provable by the atheist admitting such a thing. What I note about atheists, agnostics, non-believers, etc., is that they are not using their intellect to deny the supernatural. Rather, by process of using the intellect non-believers arrive at a point where they cannot rationally agree to the existence of the supernatural.

The difference is quite explicitly different if given a moment's reflection.

Yes that's an acute observation. The problem is it works in reverse. I was an atheist. By the use of my intellect (along with certain experiences) I developed to a point where I understand that the denial of the SN is a mistake and we can accept it if we understand it properly, which most don't.

I was using my intellect both times, as an atheist and as a convert. But it was denial of experiences as an atheist and rationalization to deny, and perhaps to some extent rationalizing and also exposing fallacious as a believer to open to the possibles.

I think an intellectual can go either way and not be dishonest, but it's a matter of being open to possibilities.

[GakuseiDon]

all I ever see atheists say on message board is repeat the same shallow, silly unthinking anti-intellectual twaddle they spoon fed from the propaganda gurus the worship.

I wonder whether the Internet has a weird evangelizing effect on some atheists. I suspect that some atheists, when they talk about God being a "Sky Wizard" or "Magic Man in the sky", really do think that Christians believe that God is some person who lives in the sky.