The TektonTV Thread

[jpholding]

I've got that one from several atheist too, it's not true, but still amusing to listen to.

Turns out its even better.

jbduke51 used to be Church of Christ.

[jpholding]

Part 2 on orality and the NT...

[nightbringer]

JP, is that "Proclaiming the Gospel" book by Whitney Shiner the main source you base your view of inspiration on? Or are there other important resources too?

[jpholding]

JP, is that "Proclaiming the Gospel" book by Whitney Shiner the main source you base your view of inspiration on? Or are there other important resources too?

Others too, but that one was particularly helpful.

[nightbringer]

Others too, but that one was particularly helpful.

To the wish list it goes.

[jpholding]

YT nut on my Jephthah vid:

The video is a clear example of issegesis. As much as one would wish that Jephthah did not sacrifice his Daughter, the text clearly states he did so. The majority of commentaries concur, with a minority disagreeing. The context needs to be understood in the book of the Judges as a whole. The Israelites are in a moral and spiritual decline going a 'whoring' after many gods. By the time of Jephthah they are drowning in Idolatry (10:6). There is also the break down of the family, so the Israelites are not being taught the law. In his dialogue with the Ammon King, Jephthah show his knowledge of the history of Israel, but there is arrogance. The quote is; why are you taking 'my' land. Here we see a breakdown in the distinction between the covenant people and the covenant kink being diluted.

Jephthah was banished to TOb, an Ammonite influenced city. The Moabs and the Ammonites performed child sacrifices. They also used vows as a way of convincing their gods, sort of like bate. So when Jephthah makes the vow he is simply doing what he has been brought up with reflecting the apostasy of the Israelite.The Hebrew syntax clearly shows he meant to sacrifice a human. We do not know who his intention is, possibly house servants. When Jephthah returns his daughter walks through the door, he is distraught. As he must perform his vow he knows he cannot go back on his word. Later it says he completed his vow.

It is absolutely abhorrent and the narrator is silent, allowing the initial hearers to draw the conclusion. that Israel had so apostasied that they were acting like the pagans themselves.

We are children of Truth and we must desist from such detractions of truth to please athiests.

[Rational Gaze]

I like how they misspelled eisegesis.

[Chrawnus]

YT nut on my Jephthah vid:

The video is a clear example of issegesis. As much as one would wish that Jephthah did not sacrifice his Daughter, the text clearly states he did so. The majority of commentaries concur, with a minority disagreeing. The context needs to be understood in the book of the Judges as a whole. The Israelites are in a moral and spiritual decline going a 'whoring' after many gods. By the time of Jephthah they are drowning in Idolatry (10:6). There is also the break down of the family, so the Israelites are not being taught the law. In his dialogue with the Ammon King, Jephthah show his knowledge of the history of Israel, but there is arrogance. The quote is; why are you taking 'my' land. Here we see a breakdown in the distinction between the covenant people and the covenant kink being diluted.

Jephthah was banished to TOb, an Ammonite influenced city. The Moabs and the Ammonites performed child sacrifices. They also used vows as a way of convincing their gods, sort of like bate. So when Jephthah makes the vow he is simply doing what he has been brought up with reflecting the apostasy of the Israelite.The Hebrew syntax clearly shows he meant to sacrifice a human. We do not know who his intention is, possibly house servants. When Jephthah returns his daughter walks through the door, he is distraught. As he must perform his vow he knows he cannot go back on his word. Later it says he completed his vow.

It is absolutely abhorrent and the narrator is silent, allowing the initial hearers to draw the conclusion. that Israel had so apostasied that they were acting like the pagans themselves.

We are children of Truth and we must desist from such detractions of truth to please athiests.

"issegesis"?












"covenant kink"?

[jpholding]

"issegesis"?
"covenant kink"?

Hmm, there's more than that:

"bate"
"apostasied"

Yeah I'll take a lecture on Hebrew syntax from someone that ignorant...

[jpholding]

OK, once again...new stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxlYz4PY8Vc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJO6I4W8PpQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpPYWUvez9c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nisENCjIXE

[jpholding]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IROwV...ature=youtu.be

Oh yeah. And this.

[jpholding]

New one on an old canard...

[Manwë Súlimo]

You probably should have mentioned more explicitly that ancients didn't contemplate the future in general because they had enough problems to worry about at the present moment. Which reminds me that I didn't much care for either Malina's use of this fact for explaining Jesus' "failed" prophecy of the kingdom coming within "this generation". Like I said in my book review:

Malina takes the interesting position that Jesus' supposed failed prophecy to return "soon" in the lifetime of "this generation" can be understood in light of a 1st Century Judean's view of time. In short, the ancient world lived in the present and very rarely looked into the future and planning for the future was often highly inaccurate. I don't have a problem with this. I do, however, have a problem with believing Jesus, with the knowledge of the Godhead, could give an inaccurate prophecy. Jesus was man, yes, but he wasn't just man. And in any case, a prophet that gave a failed prophecy is not from God and should be put to death (thank heavens Benny Henn and his ilk don't live in a theocracy). Preterism again shows it's strength here.

/tangent

[jpholding]

You probably should have mentioned more explicitly that ancients didn't contemplate the future in general because they had enough problems to worry about at the present moment.

I'll save that for a social concepts vid.

[jpholding]

Next in the NT authorship series...Mark.