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September 12th 2010, 11:22 PM #1
CIA links to NY Mosque funding, according to NY Observer
Could just be an odd coincidence. But being that this whole mosque bru-haha is becoming somewhat of a national security issue, and being how Deak is connected to government agencies that deal with national security, it sure doesn't show much prudence on the part of Deak and his funding decisions. I was always puzzled why the media never did any reporting on the funding of the mosque. You would think the most pertinent source of information would be to follow the money trail. Imagine how you could really spin it if you found actual links to terrorist network groups in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Somalia, Iran. I think I remember Pelosi mentioning something about that, and then zilch after that.
I wonder if MSM will break this story. I wonder if we'll hear Beck, Hannity, or O'Reilly report that one of the biggest owners of Fox News parent company, Al-Waleed bin Talal, also contributed a large sum of funds to Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf's foundation.
I think not.Last edited by seanD; September 12th 2010 at 11:36 PM.
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September 13th 2010, 02:33 AM #2
Re: CIA links to NY Mosque funding, according to NY Observer
They have said that they (Rauf and his wife) are going to disclose fully the contributors to their community center/prayer roomed mosque bldg.
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In my opinion, the single most telling piece of evidence that shows how poorly we're manifesting our call to care for animals is the recent creation of factory farms. Over the last century we have, to a large degree, reduced farm animals to commercialized commodities whose only value is found in how efficiently we can produce and slaughter them for profit. Consequently, more than 26 billion animals each year are forced to live in miserable, overcrowded warehouses, where there is absolutely nothing natural about their existence and where they are subjected to barbaric, painful, industrial procedures.
This is a far cry from what God meant when he told us to exercise "dominion." (Pastor Greg Boyd.)
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September 13th 2010, 09:32 AM #3
Re: CIA links to NY Mosque funding, according to NY Observer
"Years ago, I mean decades ago, I read a quote about politicians performing quid pro quo favors for campaign cash, and whether or not we could prove it. The guy who was quoted opined that it was difficult to determine. He noted that in many cases, the payoff might not take the form of votes on legislative action -- those might be detectable, and so are avoided -- but could take subtler forms, like the question that is never asked at a hearing.
The media's doing a terrific job of not asking questions it doesn't want to know the answer to. It doesn't ask these questions in bulk, and the great volume of questions it doesn't ask makes it cheap to not ask questions.
And it passes these savings on to you, the customer." Ace
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September 13th 2010, 11:45 AM #4
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September 13th 2010, 11:57 AM #5
Re: CIA links to NY Mosque funding, according to NY Observer
The mayor of New York City Michael Bloomberg has declared that anyone asking questions about the funding for the mosque is "Un-American." I don’t think he commented on Pelosi’s call to open an investigation on the protestors. Guess that was ok.
Always strive to keep an open mind – but not so open that your brains fall out!Still afeared of & dodging The PINTM
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September 14th 2010, 09:33 AM #6
Re: CIA links to NY Mosque funding, according to NY Observer
"There is a fundamental difference between religion, which is based on authority, and science, which is based on observation and reason. Science will win because it works." -Stephen Hawking
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September 14th 2010, 10:12 AM #7
Re: CIA links to NY Mosque funding, according to NY Observer
Because knowing who is funding it will give us a clearer picture of what the intention of the Park51 project is. If the imam is getting major funding from suspect groups, it justifies the fears of the opposition. It is also possible that an investigation of the funding will lead to the conclusion that Rauf is a liberal Muslim, after all.
Disregard the above.
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September 14th 2010, 01:11 PM #8
Re: CIA links to NY Mosque funding, according to NY Observer
"There is a fundamental difference between religion, which is based on authority, and science, which is based on observation and reason. Science will win because it works." -Stephen Hawking
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September 14th 2010, 02:20 PM #9
Re: CIA links to NY Mosque funding, according to NY Observer
that boat has already sailed:
So what will happen at this community center?
The community center will reach out to all New Yorkers with six programmatic areas:
1. Culture and Arts - 500-seat auditorium, exhibition
2. Education - Lecture hall, conference rooms, library, classrooms
3. Social Cohesion - cooking classes, senior citizens space, childcare, banquet hall
4. Religion + Healing - Muslim prayer space, Contemplation and reflection area, 9/11 victims memorial
5. Global Engagement - Mapping studies on trends in the Muslim world, providing resources on good governance and principles of liberal democracy, promoting women’s empowerment issues, encouraging youth development, countering religious extremism.
6. Recreation - pool, gym, medical education and wellness programs
curious thing about that liberal democracy....
wiki, NY times, and many others defines us as a "Federal constitutional presidential republic".....All that is gold does not glitter,
not all those who wander are lost;
the old that is strong does not wither,
deep roots are not reached by the frost.
just because you can't see him, doesn't mean he isn't there!
even steel must be put to the flame, else it will remain weak and easily removed.
i find it amazing that a person who requests another to demonstrate that they are not terrorists by some small action like making the claim they are not terrorists, becomes terrorized himself, and not by the terrorists or even the proposed terrorists; but by those who seek tolerance and understanding. i believe that fits the definition of ironic doesn't it?
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September 14th 2010, 02:26 PM #10
Re: CIA links to NY Mosque funding, according to NY Observer
Thank you-- I've been rather hoping for more conclusive evidence of Rauf's good intentions... you know, without doing all the research myself
. There are perhaps multiple ways of interpreting the project's reference to "Cordoba," but I see no reason why we must take the least charitable interpretation as most likely.
Disregard the above.
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September 14th 2010, 02:37 PM #11
Re: CIA links to NY Mosque funding, according to NY Observer
All that is gold does not glitter,
not all those who wander are lost;
the old that is strong does not wither,
deep roots are not reached by the frost.
just because you can't see him, doesn't mean he isn't there!
even steel must be put to the flame, else it will remain weak and easily removed.
i find it amazing that a person who requests another to demonstrate that they are not terrorists by some small action like making the claim they are not terrorists, becomes terrorized himself, and not by the terrorists or even the proposed terrorists; but by those who seek tolerance and understanding. i believe that fits the definition of ironic doesn't it?
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September 15th 2010, 06:09 AM #12
Re: CIA links to NY Mosque funding, according to NY Observer
CIA links to NY Mosque funding, according to NY Observer - the best insurance the CIA could provide as a defense against Islamic extremists is to place a moaque in every tall building - particularly on the top floor!
What are the chances that Al Qaeda would have targeted the Twin Towers if they has a mosque located in each one?
If they had, America wouldn't have to track down the perpetrators, the Moslims would have done it for them!
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September 15th 2010, 06:41 AM #13
Re: CIA links to NY Mosque funding, according to NY Observer
I know what the response to that will be without even batting an eye. "Then they are victorious, because then you are submitting to what they want in the first place."
The reason I posted this is because I'm puzzled why this hasn't at all been reported in the MSM. If Imam even had a sliver of a connection to someone they could dub a terrorist -- i.e. "his uncle's friend's brother in law" -- this would be all over MSM. At best, this just shows why MSM sucks so much. Perhaps the fact that Imam, who himself worked with the FBI under Bush, has associations with an investor who also has links to US counter-terrorist forces, is an embarrassment to the US government, and isn't as sexy as someone everyone assumes has a mysterious background and who they believe may have direct terrorist connections.
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September 15th 2010, 03:11 PM #14
Re: CIA links to NY Mosque funding, according to NY Observer
That target (the WTC) was highly desired! Muslim mosque or no mosque inside, they would not have cared - that would not have deterred them. Jihadi fighters, we have seen (Iraq and elsewhere in the world) have killed many many of their fellows in the faith to get to us (the U.S. military) without thought or care. That does not get in their way.
Actually there was a mosque of sorts in one of the towers. By that I mean a small place/area for Mulims to do their prescribed prayers throughtout their workday. In the other tower there was but one small spot, between floors.
~ And to the others here on the thread: have you all not (?) heard that in the Larry King Live interview, last Wednesday, Imam Rauf said, and I quote: "...we will clearly identify all of our financial backers."
I don't think he can slip out of this claim that he has made on national television, thinking his 'critics' will forget.
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In my opinion, the single most telling piece of evidence that shows how poorly we're manifesting our call to care for animals is the recent creation of factory farms. Over the last century we have, to a large degree, reduced farm animals to commercialized commodities whose only value is found in how efficiently we can produce and slaughter them for profit. Consequently, more than 26 billion animals each year are forced to live in miserable, overcrowded warehouses, where there is absolutely nothing natural about their existence and where they are subjected to barbaric, painful, industrial procedures.
This is a far cry from what God meant when he told us to exercise "dominion." (Pastor Greg Boyd.)
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September 16th 2010, 11:09 AM #15
Re: CIA links to NY Mosque funding, according to NY Observer
there was a mosque in each one. the towers were so big that it litterally could have taken hours to get from the top floor to the bottom. because of this, resturants and places of worship were in the buildings.
All that is gold does not glitter,
not all those who wander are lost;
the old that is strong does not wither,
deep roots are not reached by the frost.
just because you can't see him, doesn't mean he isn't there!
even steel must be put to the flame, else it will remain weak and easily removed.
i find it amazing that a person who requests another to demonstrate that they are not terrorists by some small action like making the claim they are not terrorists, becomes terrorized himself, and not by the terrorists or even the proposed terrorists; but by those who seek tolerance and understanding. i believe that fits the definition of ironic doesn't it?
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