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      Re: You think the tea party is popular NOW?

      Throw it all in the air, whatever the queen wants, she takes

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      Quote Originally posted by Da Blonde View Post
      Sensible if the goal is to preserve the current status system, which for American conservatives, is primary.
      Waiting for more evidence than slogans. Heck, the very idea that there's a "status system" in america is flawed for a number of reasons.
      http://www.unionleader.com/article.a...+from+thinking

      Similarly, most of the people who are called "the poor" are not poor. Their low incomes are as transient as the higher incomes of "the rich." Most of the people in the bottom 20 percent in income end up in the top half of the income distribution in later years. Far more of them reach the top 20 percent than remain in the bottom 20 percent over the years.


      The grand fallacy in most discussions of income statistics is the assumption that the various income brackets represent enduring classes of people, rather than transients who start at the bottom in entry-level jobs and move up as they acquire more experience and skills.
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      "America's political system used to be about the pursuit of happiness. Now More and more of us want to stop chasing it and have it delivered."
      "The government cannot love you, and any politics that works on a different assumption is destined for no good."
      "Government money only pays for the "liberties" the government thinks you should have, and therefore it can determine how you exercise them. That turns liberties into privileges dispensed at the whim of the state."
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      Re: You think the tea party is popular NOW?

      Quote Originally posted by Da Blonde View Post
      Sensible if the goal is to preserve the current status system, which for American conservatives, is primary.
      "Years ago, I mean decades ago, I read a quote about politicians performing quid pro quo favors for campaign cash, and whether or not we could prove it. The guy who was quoted opined that it was difficult to determine. He noted that in many cases, the payoff might not take the form of votes on legislative action -- those might be detectable, and so are avoided -- but could take subtler forms, like the question that is never asked at a hearing.

      The media's doing a terrific job of not asking questions it doesn't want to know the answer to. It doesn't ask these questions in bulk, and the great volume of questions it doesn't ask makes it cheap to not ask questions.

      And it passes these savings on to you, the customer." Ace

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      Re: You think the tea party is popular NOW?

      Quote Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
      I guess it’s the best way to apply the adage from each according to his ability, to each according to his need
      This one from Acts 4:34-35?

      "34There were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned lands or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35and put it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to anyone as he had need."
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      No, that specific phrasing is an obvious reference to communism to anyone with two neurons to rub together.
      "Years ago, I mean decades ago, I read a quote about politicians performing quid pro quo favors for campaign cash, and whether or not we could prove it. The guy who was quoted opined that it was difficult to determine. He noted that in many cases, the payoff might not take the form of votes on legislative action -- those might be detectable, and so are avoided -- but could take subtler forms, like the question that is never asked at a hearing.

      The media's doing a terrific job of not asking questions it doesn't want to know the answer to. It doesn't ask these questions in bulk, and the great volume of questions it doesn't ask makes it cheap to not ask questions.

      And it passes these savings on to you, the customer." Ace

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      Re: You think the tea party is popular NOW?

      Well if you're only working with two I guess that's about how far you'd get.

      So then, Marx, who was borrowing, at his own admission, from Acts.
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      My most recent faith struggle is not one of intellect. I don't really do that anymore. Sooner or later you just figure out there are some guys who don't believe in God and they can prove He doesn't exist, and some other guys who can prove He does exist, and the argument stopped being about God a long time ago and now it's about who is smarter, and honestly, I don't care. ~ Don Miller Blue Like Jazz

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      Nobody was forced to do anything in Acts. Unlike communism.
      "Years ago, I mean decades ago, I read a quote about politicians performing quid pro quo favors for campaign cash, and whether or not we could prove it. The guy who was quoted opined that it was difficult to determine. He noted that in many cases, the payoff might not take the form of votes on legislative action -- those might be detectable, and so are avoided -- but could take subtler forms, like the question that is never asked at a hearing.

      The media's doing a terrific job of not asking questions it doesn't want to know the answer to. It doesn't ask these questions in bulk, and the great volume of questions it doesn't ask makes it cheap to not ask questions.

      And it passes these savings on to you, the customer." Ace

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      I wouldn't mind living in a completely collectivist society if everyone was Christian and had everyone's best interest in mind at all times

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      Quote Originally posted by Hamster View Post
      I wouldn't mind living in a completely collectivist society if everyone was Christian and had everyone's best interest in mind at all times
      Plus you're assuming that everyone is going to work as hard as they can for little/indirect reward.

      It's one of those ideas that are great in theory, but near impossible this side of heaven in practice.
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      — Robert A. Heinlein

      "America's political system used to be about the pursuit of happiness. Now More and more of us want to stop chasing it and have it delivered."
      "The government cannot love you, and any politics that works on a different assumption is destined for no good."
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      Quote Originally posted by Challenger Grim View Post
      It's one of those ideas that are great in theory
      It's not great in theory either.
      "Years ago, I mean decades ago, I read a quote about politicians performing quid pro quo favors for campaign cash, and whether or not we could prove it. The guy who was quoted opined that it was difficult to determine. He noted that in many cases, the payoff might not take the form of votes on legislative action -- those might be detectable, and so are avoided -- but could take subtler forms, like the question that is never asked at a hearing.

      The media's doing a terrific job of not asking questions it doesn't want to know the answer to. It doesn't ask these questions in bulk, and the great volume of questions it doesn't ask makes it cheap to not ask questions.

      And it passes these savings on to you, the customer." Ace

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      Re: You think the tea party is popular NOW?

      There is no instruction to financial communal living in scripture. It is described in Acts, but it died out for some reason. The only instruction we find is to take care of one another. A far cry from socialism.
      He has showed you, O man, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God. (Micah 6:8)

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      Re: You think the tea party is popular NOW?

      Quote Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
      Nobody was forced to do anything in Acts. Unlike communism.
      If you're a true Christian Darth, you're not supposed to be forced, you're supposed, of you're own free will, to live according to scripture, otherwise you would be no more than a hypocrite. No?
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      Quote Originally posted by JimL View Post
      If you're a true Christian Darth, you're not supposed to be forced, you're supposed, of you're own free will, to live according to scripture, otherwise you would be no more than a hypocrite. No?
      And Captain Stupid has to ruin a perfectly good evening with this inane post. Do not butt into conversations whose context you are not capable of understanding.

      Nevermind that nowhere does scripture require people to "give from each according to his ability to each according to his need".
      "Years ago, I mean decades ago, I read a quote about politicians performing quid pro quo favors for campaign cash, and whether or not we could prove it. The guy who was quoted opined that it was difficult to determine. He noted that in many cases, the payoff might not take the form of votes on legislative action -- those might be detectable, and so are avoided -- but could take subtler forms, like the question that is never asked at a hearing.

      The media's doing a terrific job of not asking questions it doesn't want to know the answer to. It doesn't ask these questions in bulk, and the great volume of questions it doesn't ask makes it cheap to not ask questions.

      And it passes these savings on to you, the customer." Ace

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      Re: You think the tea party is popular NOW?

      The IPP's eminently sensible response here:

      http://www.freshbusinessthinking.com...ID=6209&PGID=1

      The overwhelming majority are against the centralization idea, however the idea for real time information was received well by members. The original HRMC memo was desinged for this purpose; to present new suggestions for modernizing the current tax system to the relevant business groups, in order to receive feedback and suggestions. This wasn't a proposal for new legislation! So no need for that open revolt against the government just yet.

      *puts away flaming torch and pitchfork and gets on with much more mundane activity of washing the breakfast dishes*

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      Re: You think the tea party is popular NOW?

      Quote Originally posted by Challenger Grim View Post
      Seriously, are there any liberals who would argue that this is a good idea?
      http://www.cnbc.com/id/39265847



      Remember the days when the West believed in freedom?
      I guess we now know why the British government is contemplating this shakedown. Apparently the queen's toes were a bit chilly:

      Queen tried to get UK poverty fund to heat palace


      A government fund intended to provide subsidized heating to low-income Britons got some interest from an unexpected source: Queen Elizabeth II, who wanted help paying the bills at Buckingham Palace.

      The official response, according to documents unearthed by The Independent newspaper, was that the handout might prove to be an embarrassment if word got out. The paper quotes an unnamed functionary as gently reminding the royal household that the money was meant for local authorities, housing associations, and the like.


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      OK. They probably aren't really related but IIRC the queen is estimated to be worth something like $17,000,000,000 and she's looking for a handout.
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