You think the tea party is popular NOW?

[RumTumTugger]

"The government" is an abstraction. Only persons can act. The abstraction cannot change the nature of a person's action.


No, your statement "The Teajadists in America support many things but "freedom" is not one of them," contained no argument or evidence. Your use of "Teajadists" is nothing but mocking and ridiculousness and senseless, and from what I have seen at tea parties, people are there to advocate nothing but liberty. That is the whole point. What evidence do you have that many things but not liberty is being supported?


And how in the world can you say that wealth is not created? The whole point of productive activity is to create (i.e., increase) utility. This is done every day. Fetching water from the well creates wealth because water in your cup is of greater utility than water at the bottom of the distant well. Making a tool creates wealth because the tool is of greater utility than the sum of the factors of its production (otherwise no one would perform that action).

I see you've finaly met DaBlonde who thinks making assertions is the same thing as backing up her argument.

[RumTumTugger]

No, but I know when the cause is on the left side those with offensive signs are ejected by marshals unless they take those signs out. With the tea party it seems the more offensive the sign, the more welcome they are.

Now, suppose some idiot shows up at the rallying point for gay pride with a "Kill Huckabee!" or a "Rape Palin!" sign. I guarantee you, within five minutes a detail of bears and dykes on bikes would be in their face tearing up the signs and escorting them from the premises.

But show up at a tea party event with a sign with Obama in the hangman's noose? No problem!

or it could show how hypocritical the left is when they talk about freedom regarding speech. and the Tea party not being hypocrits.

[Challenger Grim]

No, but I know when the cause is on the left side those with offensive signs are ejected by marshals unless they take those signs out. With the tea party it seems the more offensive the sign, the more welcome they are.

Now, suppose some idiot shows up at the rallying point for gay pride with a "Kill Huckabee!" or a "Rape Palin!" sign. I guarantee you, within five minutes a detail of bears and dykes on bikes would be in their face tearing up the signs and escorting them from the premises.

But show up at a tea party event with a sign with Obama in the hangman's noose? No problem!

And how many tea parties have you attended or thoroughly investigated to see if people don't react negatively to such signs? Oh wait, why should I expect any facts or data to get into Da(mb) blonde's fantasy?

Dobedobedobedo.

Oh, and here's some more inconvienent facts.
http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=621

Yep, I really see a lot of those signs being hustled away (looks like more than a few are at gay pride parades as well).

[joel]

No, but I know when the cause is on the left side those with offensive signs are ejected by marshals unless they take those signs out. With the tea party it seems the more offensive the sign, the more welcome they are.

Now, suppose some idiot shows up at the rallying point for gay pride with a "Kill Huckabee!" or a "Rape Palin!" sign. I guarantee you, within five minutes a detail of bears and dykes on bikes would be in their face tearing up the signs and escorting them from the premises.

But show up at a tea party event with a sign with Obama in the hangman's noose? No problem!

You are making comments about how "the tea party" acts even just after admitting you've never been to a tea party (and despite the fact that there is no such thing as the tea party; it's not a monolithic entity.).

A quick google search can bring up all kinds of Bush-is-Hitler & Bush-is-a-terrorist & "Kill Bush" signs, and pictures of people burning Bush in effigy, &c.
I too might as easily as you say, "With those leftists, it seems the more offensive the sign, the more welcome they are."

There's also all the leftist "9/11 truther" kooks.

[Psychic Missile]

There's also all the leftist "9/11 truther" kooks.

In my experience, 9/11 conspiracy theorists are primarily libertarians.

[JimL]

Seriously, are there any liberals who would argue that this is a good idea?
http://www.cnbc.com/id/39265847



Remember the days when the West believed in freedom?

Where do you even get the idea that liberals believe this would be a good idea? The odd thing is that the tea partiers are being lead like sheep against their own best interest. You don't like bad government but are supporting the same bad government, the government that got us into this mess in the first place, the government who is in the back pocket cooperate america, The government that turned a surplus into a huge debt, the government that wants to give tax breaks to the super wealthy even when we are in debt up to our ears, the government that spent billions of our tax dollars on unnecessary wars, the government who tells you straight out that they will do the same to you again, the government who tried to privatize social security, which had they been successful with the market crash would have your parents and grandparents bankrupt and out on the street, the government that endorses the outsourcing of american jobs, the government out to destroy unions, the government that allowed health insurance companies to rob you blind etc. etc. Really, I just don't get you people.

[PsychGuy]

Where do you even get the idea that liberals believe this would be a good idea? The odd thing is that the tea partiers are being lead like sheep against their own best interest. You don't like bad government but are supporting the same bad government, the government that got us into this mess in the first place, the government who is in the back pocket cooperate america, The government that turned a surplus into a huge debt, the government that wants to give tax breaks to the super wealthy even when we are in debt up to our ears, the government that spent billions of our tax dollars on unnecessary wars, the government who tells you straight out that they will do the same to you again, the government who tried to privatize social security, which had they been successful with the market crash would have your parents and grandparents bankrupt and out on the street, the government that endorses the outsourcing of american jobs, the government out to destroy unions, the government that allowed health insurance companies to rob you blind etc. etc. Really, I just don't get you people.

Just curious Jim: in what sense do you consider yourself politically conservative? What you said above is a set of pretty liberal talking points, wouldn't you agree?

[JimL]

Just curious Jim: in what sense do you consider yourself politically conservative? What you said above is a set of pretty liberal talking points, wouldn't you agree?

No, I don't really label myself, I just never bothered with the profile and was tagged a conservative.

[PsychGuy]

No, I don't really label myself, I just never bothered with the profile and was tagged a conservative.

I might consider changing it, just to avoid possible confusion.

[joel]

Where do you even get the idea that liberals believe this would be a good idea? The odd thing is that the tea partiers are being lead like sheep against their own best interest. You don't like bad government but are supporting the same bad government, the government that got us into this mess in the first place, the government who is in the back pocket cooperate america, The government that turned a surplus into a huge debt, the government that wants to give tax breaks to the super wealthy even when we are in debt up to our ears, the government that spent billions of our tax dollars on unnecessary wars, the government who tells you straight out that they will do the same to you again, the government who tried to privatize social security, which had they been successful with the market crash would have your parents and grandparents bankrupt and out on the street, the government that endorses the outsourcing of american jobs, the government out to destroy unions, the government that allowed health insurance companies to rob you blind etc. etc. Really, I just don't get you people.

There is a lot one could respond to here.
I'll just pick one and say:

It's simple to balance the budget without higher tax rates!
http://reason.tv/roughcut/show/its-s...lance-the-budg

[RumTumTugger]

Where do you even get the idea that liberals believe this would be a good idea? The odd thing is that the tea partiers are being lead like sheep against their own best interest. You don't like bad government but are supporting the same bad government, the government that got us into this mess in the first place, the government who is in the back pocket cooperate america, The government that turned a surplus into a huge debt, the government that wants to give tax breaks to the super wealthy even when we are in debt up to our ears, the government that spent billions of our tax dollars on unnecessary wars, the government who tells you straight out that they will do the same to you again, the government who tried to privatize social security, which had they been successful with the market crash would have your parents and grandparents bankrupt and out on the street, the government that endorses the outsourcing of american jobs, the government out to destroy unions, the government that allowed health insurance companies to rob you blind etc. etc. Really, I just don't get you people.

you don't know what the Tea party is about no the tea party doesn't want the folks in that those in the republican leadership they do not want the Republicans that helped get us into this mess the ones that we voted against that lead to the leftest that are in power now(make no mistake it was not as pelosi and reid would have you think that we wanted there already tried and proven failures we were upset that the Republicans did not follow through on thier promises they made in Clinton's mid term.

as for Health care: So you'd ranter the government rob you blind to pay for what they have no business forcing on us? it is not up the the govenrment to tell us to get health care. it is up the us the government does best when it gets the hell out of the way of Americans making the money to pay for their own choice in health care.

[JimL]

There is a lot one could respond to here.
I'll just pick one and say:

It's simple to balance the budget without higher tax rates!
http://reason.tv/roughcut/show/its-s...lance-the-budg

Speak for yourself!

[JimL]

you don't know what the Tea party is about no the tea party doesn't want the folks in that those in the republican leadership they do not want the Republicans that helped get us into this mess the ones that we voted against that lead to the leftest that are in power now(make no mistake it was not as pelosi and reid would have you think that we wanted there already tried and proven failures we were upset that the Republicans did not follow through on thier promises they made in Clinton's mid term.

Right! I'll bet though that you are going to vote again for that same republican party that through eight years of neglect and incompetence, turned a robust economy with a huge surplus into a near depression with record deficits, aren't you?

as for Health care: So you'd ranter the government rob you blind to pay for what they have no business forcing on us? it is not up the the govenrment to tell us to get health care. it is up the us the government does best when it gets the hell out of the way of Americans making the money to pay for their own choice in health care.

It is the purpose of the government to see to it that corporate institutions such as the health care industry, the banks etc. are playing by the rules, aren't screwing you over like they have been doing, or in other words, regulating them. Who do you think allowed that to happen? I'll tell you who, the same people who want to, and say straight out that they will, continue to keep those same policies in effect if they get the chance. So you go right ahead and follow the marching orders of the right wing propaganda machine bought and payed for by corporate america and vote for the republican agenda like the blind sheep that you are and watch them kick you in the teeth again.

[joel]

Speak for yourself!

I'll bet though that you are going to vote again for that same republican party that through eight years of neglect and incompetence, turned a robust economy with a huge surplus into a near depression with record deficits, aren't you?

I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm sure not going to vote statist Republicans back into power.

The Tea Party movement is largely a reaction opposed to those Republicans of whom you speak--in opposition to the "republican agenda" as you put it. If you think the tea party movement is a bunch of "blind sheep" then you have not been paying attention. The tea partiers are fed up with both the republicans and the democrats (both being just slight variations on the same theme). They don't trust either. I've seen committed, lifetime republicans now for the first time refusing to call themselves republicans or associate with or support the republican party. All over the country in the Republican primaries, we have seen 'tea party'-oriented candidates defeating the established & incumbent Republican candidates.

For example,
John Dennis won the nomination in California.
Rand Paul defeated the establishment Republican in Kentucky.
Mike Lee defeated the establishment Republican in Utah.
Charles Perry defeated the establishment Republican in Texas.
Kristi Noem defeated the establishment Republican in South Dakota.
Tim Scott defeated 2 establishment Republicans in South Carolina.
Sharon Angle defeated the establishment Republican in Nevada.
Christine O'Donnel defeated the establishment Republican in Delaware.
Shall I go on?

Establishment republicans are ticked off and frightened by the tea party movement. The republicans published a "Pledge to America" to try to calm the tea partiers down and regain their support. But tea partiers saw it was just more of the same old thing--doesn't really address tea party concerns--and so they still oppose the establishment republicans.

By the way, I urge everyone to support John Dennis' campaign (running against Nancy Pelosi).

[JimL]

I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm sure not going to vote statist Republicans back into power.

The Tea Party movement is largely a reaction opposed to those Republicans of whom you speak--in opposition to the "republican agenda" as you put it. If you think the tea party movement is a bunch of "blind sheep" then you have not been paying attention. The tea partiers are fed up with both the republicans and the democrats (both being just slight variations on the same theme). They don't trust either. I've seen committed, lifetime republicans now for the first time refusing to call themselves republicans or associate with or support the republican party. All over the country in the Republican primaries, we have seen 'tea party'-oriented candidates defeating the established & incumbent Republican candidates.

For example,
John Dennis won the nomination in California.
Rand Paul defeated the establishment Republican in Kentucky.
Mike Lee defeated the establishment Republican in Utah.
Charles Perry defeated the establishment Republican in Texas.
Kristi Noem defeated the establishment Republican in South Dakota.
Tim Scott defeated 2 establishment Republicans in South Carolina.
Sharon Angle defeated the establishment Republican in Nevada.
Christine O'Donnel defeated the establishment Republican in Delaware.
Shall I go on?

Establishment republicans are ticked off and frightened by the tea party movement. The republicans published a "Pledge to America" to try to calm the tea partiers down and regain their support. But tea partiers saw it was just more of the same old thing--doesn't really address tea party concerns--and so they still oppose the establishment republicans.

By the way, I urge everyone to support John Dennis' campaign (running against Nancy Pelosi).

This is all true but the tea party candidates are indeed all republicans and have the same agenda that I outlined above, the same policies as those of the eight years of the Bush/Republican administration. Are you for privatizing social security? Deregulating wall street,again? Doing away with a living wage? Repealing health care? Tax cuts for billionaires when we are in debt up to our ears, do in large part to those very wall street billionaires? Corporate outsourcing of jobs to china and elsewhere to boost their own profits while thumbing their noses at american workers. etc. etc.. If so fine, but remember, that is their agenda and, insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. They have you fooled into thinking this is all President Obama's and the Democrats fault when all they are trying to do is pull us out of the ditch that the Bush/republican plutocracy has driven us into.