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  • Does Religion Make You Stupid?

    Are you killing brain cells by being a Christian?

    The link can be found here.

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    Does your brain improve if you get rid of religion? Let's plunge into the Deeper Waters and find out.

    I was recently sent this article by Caroline Beaton about religion and what happens to one's brain when they stopped believing in God. Of course, Beaton describes it as an improvement. Does her argument hold water?

    It's interesting that Beaton begins this with a personal testimony. She talks about losing her virginity at 16 and then living a life of disobeying the rules. I find it amazing that many skeptics of religion who used to be Christians always seem to start with a personal testimony. It's like they can't get away from their upbringing.

    It also looks like for parents and throughout this article, that much of Christianity in particular is all about morality. Christianity has things to say about morality, but the purpose of Christianity is not to be a moral philosophy but a historical faith with moral implications. On a related point, the word true, or some variation of it, never shows up in the article. Apparently, that question didn't really seem to matter.

    Beaton says that 35% of youth show no religious affiliation. These are called the nones, but it's a misnomer to think they're necessarily non-Christians. Many people in a higher power. Many pray. Many have high views of the Bible. They just don't care for something along the lines of "organized religion." I recommend anyone wanting information on that read this book.

    She quotes a radiology professor who says that religion acts like a drug. For some people, that is no doubt true. There are many people who will use their religion as a way to get spiritual highs. The goal of the religion then is to feel good about one's self or to feel that one is close to God. In that case, the idea that religion can act like a drug is certainly true. That's also part of the me-centered aspect of Christianity today. It's my contention that true Christianity at times can make you feel good, but it can also make you feel miserable. In fact, it should make you feel miserable at times. You should feel sad about the suffering of humanity or the realization of your own sin or knowing that your friends and family are lost.

    Beaton also says she believed in young-earth creationism and evolution for awhile both. At this, it never seems to occur to Beaton that maybe she was the problem and not the religion. Had she ever really thought deeply about her religion? She talks about losing interest in a picture Bible. What did she expect? Of course it wouldn't bring the same interest. We can't all be children forever and we need increasing awareness of our religion.

    Beaton goes on to say

    As I tried to reconcile my belief in God with my growing knowledge of the natural world, I drew arbitrary distinctions. God couldn't see me poop but he could hear me pray, I decided. Eventually I couldn't figure out how, physically, he could do either.
    Absent is any mention of doing any real research. Instead, the lines are arbitrary. What were the grounds for this? You don't want God to see you poop but you want Him to hear you pray? It sounds like Beaton had her religion for personal comfort. Beaton goes on to say

    This scientific descent from religion is common. Pew's 2016 survey on why now-unaffiliated Americans lost faith yielded explanations such as, "Rational thought makes religion go out the window," "Lack of any sort of scientific or specific evidence of a creator," and "I'm a scientist now, and I don't believe in miracles."
    Part of the problem here is a scientism that has taken over much of our thinking. In fact, I would say the fact that we have debates on if the Bible teaches YEC or OEC is a demonstration that we read even the Bible through a scientific lens. It never seems to occur to some people that maybe science isn't the best place to go to for this question. I also notice the idea of rationality. Let's say something about that.

    There are stupid Christians and there are stupid atheists. There are genius Christians and there are genius atheists. It's not the point that you "become rational" and suddenly you change your worldview. One of the big problems I have with many atheists today is that they deem automatically that anyone who believes in anything religious is automatically irrational. This contributes nothing to a good debate.

    She continues

    When we get to college, however, cultural testimony changes. An analytical, scientific view reigns, and there's little room for God. We staggered home from parties pontificating on the pointless evil of Western religion. We made friends by cynically confessing our doubt. College is "very likely to challenge the more conservative belief systems we have in our brains," Grafman says. It deflates our adolescent faith.
    Of course, parties where you stagger home, no doubt from drinking too much, are the perfect places to be thinking on Western religion. Apparently, the college library isn't of much use. Beaton is accurate when she says that an adolescent faith is deflated. Perhaps it needs to be. Perhaps they need to look at these doubts and move onto an adult faith where they actually think about what they believe.

    When we finally break up with religion, we rebound. Eventually, non-religious people who once had religious epiphanies get those same feelings from being in nature, or from seeing profound scientific ideas expressed, Anderson says. "The context changes but the experience doesn't." Most non-religious people are "passionately committed to some ideology or other," explains Patrick McNamara, a neurology professor at Boston University School of Medicine. These passions function neurologically as "faux religions."
    And once again, there you have it. It's all about the feelings. You could have feelings and emotional experiences with a religion based on your own temperament and such. For me, they don't happen often because I am not a man of emotional passion like that. That's okay. Still, if the purpose of your religion is to make you feel good or have pleasurable sensations, you're doing it wrong. Your religion is meant to inform your life about who you are and the way the world is and your place in it.

    Ultimately, Beaton doesn't really give us anything here. There is no question of truth. There is no question of research. All we have is really a long personal testimony with some scientific statements thrown in. It's good to know that just by entering college Beaton thought she had all that she needed. Hopefully, Beaton will in the future visit a library and learn something about these systems she has been freed from. Until then, I do not know what happens when your brain gets freed from religion, but I know what happens when it gets stuck on your own experiences and doesn't understand religion.

    In Christ,
    Nick Peters

  • #2
    Well if her current logic is an example of her improved intellect then she really must have been a moron when she was religious.

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    • #3
      Last night I was thinking about an article I wrote on "Paige Turner". There's a reason I made that vid you and Allie did on fundy atheist biographies.

      Another one worried about God watching her poop? She'd have been pretty upset about Roman public lavatories.

      "Beaton doesn’t really give us anything here." That could have been the whole article but it wouldn't have been as much fun.

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      • #4
        Odd. We would be crippled scientific lyrics without the idea that the universe has observable laws an Idea that emerged when various christians hoped to better understand God and the world they lived in. Rodney Stark is an author this lady should read.
        Also let's see here. Christian scientist and thinkers from the top of my head.

        Blaise Pascale.
        Albert us Magnus.
        William of Ocham.
        Pretty important scientist.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View Post
          Are you killing brain cells by being a Christian?

          The link can be found here.

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          Does your brain improve if you get rid of religion?
          The answer is no but the issue is mischaracterised. The religioso suffer from reduced bandwidth. It is like being surrounded by a translucent shell that are the lies protecting them from forbidden knowledge outside. The shell is actually quite fragile and many people escape completely or simply pretend to others that they live inside the shell. The fanatics are those that go about trying to keep the shell intact.
          “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
          “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
          “not all there” - you know who you are

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          • #6
            Why are they so concerned about God knowing when you poop?
            If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
              Why are they so concerned about God knowing when you poop?
              Premise: If God exists, He is omniscient.

              Premise: If God is omniscient, He sees you poop.

              Conclusion 1: If God exists, He sees you poop.

              Premise: God can't see me poop, that's gross.

              Conclusion 2: Contradiction--If God can't see me poop, then He does not exist.

              Conclusion 3: God does not exist.
              I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Zymologist View Post
                Premise: If God exists, He is omniscient.

                Premise: If God is omniscient, He sees you poop.

                Conclusion 1: If God exists, He sees you poop.

                Premise: God can't see me poop, that's gross.

                Conclusion 2: Contradiction--If God can't see me poop, then He does not exist.

                Conclusion 3: God does not exist.
                Who cares? I see my dog poop and have changed several of my nieces' diapers. How is that any different? Your parents wiped your butt for you when you were an infant, and that sounds grosser than God knowing that you pooped.
                If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View Post
                  I find it amazing that many skeptics of religion who used to be Christians always seem to start with a personal testimony.
                  I find that the moment atheists open their mouths on the subject of religion many Christians online respond with basically "what would you know about it, you're an atheist" and use that as an excuse for ignoring everything that follows. This method of Christians attempting to pre-emptively deny that the atheist has any knowledge at all about the subject matter I have found to be depressingly common. I find it totally unsurprising that she begins by countering that attack by laying out her history with the subject.
                  "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                  "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                  "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                  • #10
                    One of the 5 major factors in personality is a person's level of open-mindedness. More open-minded people tend to have a higher IQ, and they also tend to be less religious. IQ has gone up dramatically in Western societies over the last century due to increased education, and so has the "no religion" group, there's probably a causal connection there.

                    I don't think that religion actively makes individuals dumber (if nothing else, thinking up creative ways to reconcile religious teachings with scientific data can be a complex logical puzzle for smart people), although it can obviously lead to people occasionally rejecting scientific evidence or theories that disagree with their religious views (e.g. "that rock can't be 400,000 years old because I believe the earth is only 6000 years old", "climate change is not going to cause the sea level to rise and flood Kiribati because God promised he'd never flood the world again") or make poor life choices (e.g. "don't give me that blood transfusion you say I need, because I have a religious objection to them", "snake-handling is fine because the gospel says disciples can handle snakes and drink poison") and it can lead to them actively sabotaging the education of others (e.g. changing school textbooks to teach "appropriate" facts, cutting back on education least it lead to atheism, spending a huge amount of time at schools teaching religion which cuts into learning about other subjects, home schooling the kids and giving them a terrible education, preventing girls from attending school) and it can obviously cause the entire population of a country to do things that other people would say were dumb and counterproductive for society (e.g. prohibiting women from driving, female genital mutilation, banning modern medicine in favor of prayer).
                    "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                    "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                    "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                      I find that the moment atheists open their mouths on the subject of religion many Christians online respond with basically "what would you know about it, you're an atheist" and use that as an excuse for ignoring everything that follows. This method of Christians attempting to pre-emptively deny that the atheist has any knowledge at all about the subject matter I have found to be depressingly common. I find it totally unsurprising that she begins by countering that attack by laying out her history with the subject.
                      I don't know anyone around here who argues like that.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by TheWall View Post
                        Odd. We would be crippled scientific lyrics
                        Dear the wall, proof reading is your friend. try it.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                          I find that the moment atheists open their mouths on the subject of religion many Christians online respond with basically "what would you know about it, you're an atheist" and use that as an excuse for ignoring everything that follows. This method of Christians attempting to pre-emptively deny that the atheist has any knowledge at all about the subject matter I have found to be depressingly common. I find it totally unsurprising that she begins by countering that attack by laying out her history with the subject.
                          I have never seen anyone respond that way. I have, however, seen you claim repeatedly that you're a knowledgeable expert regarding Christianity, and then proceed by your words to prove that you haven't a clue. FWIW, I didn't get that impression before you deconverted. Maybe it's the deconversion process that makes people forget how to think.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                            I find that the moment atheists open their mouths on the subject of religion many Christians online respond with basically "what would you know about it, you're an atheist" and use that as an excuse for ignoring everything that follows. This method of Christians attempting to pre-emptively deny that the atheist has any knowledge at all about the subject matter I have found to be depressingly common. I find it totally unsurprising that she begins by countering that attack by laying out her history with the subject.
                            As the Pig pointed out your claim to be knowledgeable of Christianity has been repeatedly demonstrated (by you) to be false. What ever supposed Christian organization you learned from (if you did at all) was certainly not orthodox Christian. You shoot down all sorts of beliefs that no Christian I ever knew held. If you actually discussed things real Christians believed you would be better received. Why would we take you seriously when you show repeatedly you do not know what you are talking about.
                            Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View Post
                              I don't know anyone around here who argues like that.
                              The OBP and Jedidiah idiot band is here to demonstrate for you.
                              "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                              "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                              "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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