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'Bible Answer Man' converts to Orthodoxy

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  • #31
    Originally posted by Littlejoe View Post
    Agreed! HOwever, supposed history does not necessarily guarantee truth.
    Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    No, but a lack of history pretty much guarantees a lack of truth.
    It is quite reasonable to judge that in the intervening years error has crept into the older bodies. Thus something new could be a return to greater truth not lack of truth.

    Keep in mind that I am not saying this is true, just that history does not guarantee truth, and a lack of history does not necessarily mean a lack of truth. In both cases it could go either way.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
      It is quite reasonable to judge that in the intervening years error has crept into the older bodies. Thus something new could be a return to greater truth not lack of truth.

      Keep in mind that I am not saying this is true, just that history does not guarantee truth, and a lack of history does not necessarily mean a lack of truth. In both cases it could go either way.
      Something new is necessarily NOT a return. I will readily grant that error could creep into older bodies. I refuse to believe, however, that the Church could be wrong for 2,000 years (or 1,500, for that matter).
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      • #33
        1. Many years to Hank!

        2. Pulpit and Pen is as arrogant as it is ridiculous. Orthodox groups on Facebook have been having a laugh with how much they misunderstand our faith. It's a hoot.

        3. Orthodoxy is the true faith and I'm happy to have a Christian apologist join our ranks.
        "Concentrate on what you have to do. Fix your eyes on it. Remind yourself that your task is to be a good human being; remind yourself what nature demands of people. Then do it, without hesitation, and speak the truth as you see it. But with kindness. With humility. Without hypocrisy."
        -Marcus Aurelius

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        • #34
          Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
          Something new is necessarily NOT a return.
          In Bibleworld, things can be both "A" and "not-A" at the same time (though not necessarily in the same sense). This specifically (but not necessarily exclusively) applies to "newness," as 1 John 2:7-8 show.


          I will readily grant that error could creep into older bodies. I refuse to believe, however, that the Church could be wrong for 2,000 years (or 1,500, for that matter).
          Well ok, that's the sort of position that can't be debated.
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          • #35
            Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
            In Bibleworld, things can be both "A" and "not-A" at the same time (though not necessarily in the same sense). This specifically (but not necessarily exclusively) applies to "newness," as 1 John 2:7-8 show.
            If a concept can be shown to be not new, then it's not something to which I'm referring here.
            Well ok, that's the sort of position that can't be debated.
            Sure. I was, perhaps, being that dogmatic to deliberately emphasize my point. It would take considerable evidence to change my mind, but it's conceivable.
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            • #36
              Hank Hanegraaf has done a couple interviews reflecting on his experience over the last couple months and what Orthodoxy means to him.
              Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

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              • #37
                We can talk about the " rightness " of Hanks conversion, of course. But I think a even more pressing question is warranted. In light of Hanks faith in the truth of Eastern Orthodoxy, should not Hank now step down as the " bible answer man " and president of CRI ? Considering before that his role at CRI was based in a belief in Sola Scriptura and beliefs along the lines of the Founder, Walter Martin ?
                “Every promise of Scripture is a writing of God, which may be pleaded before Him with this reasonable request, ‘Do as Thou hast said.’ The Heavenly Father will not break His Word to His own child.”― Charles H. Spurgeon

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Sentient 6 View Post
                  We can talk about the " rightness " of Hanks conversion, of course. But I think a even more pressing question is warranted. In light of Hanks faith in the truth of Eastern Orthodoxy, should not Hank now step down as the " bible answer man " and president of CRI ? Considering before that his role at CRI was based in a belief in Sola Scriptura and beliefs along the lines of the Founder, Walter Martin ?
                  Good question. I don't know the exact terms of his employment with CRI. I'm fairly certain that he (and others at CRI) have given this some thought. I know I had to work through keeping my position here when I converted (as did other staff members who converted to EO here).

                  I don't recall Walter Martin being a preterist, so presumably there is some wiggle room.
                  Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

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                  • #39
                    Is there anything in CRI's Beliefs or "Essentials" incompatible with Orthodoxy?
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                    Nationalist Christian.

                    "Everybody is somebody's heretic."

                    Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.

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                    Justice for Ashli Babbitt!

                    Justice for Matthew Perna!

                    Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
                      Is there anything in CRI's Beliefs or "Essentials" incompatible with Orthodoxy?
                      There are some tensions in the Beliefs (e.g., penal substitution is not the traditional model of the atonement in Orthodoxy), but I don't see anything that goes against the rulings of the Ecumenical Councils, which are the standard.
                      Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

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                      • #41
                        Are EO beliefs more along the lines of Christus Victor?
                        "What has the Church gained if it is popular, but there is no conviction, no repentance, no power?" - A.W. Tozer

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Littlejoe View Post
                          Are EO beliefs more along the lines of Christus Victor?
                          Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                            I'm actually quite favorable to Christus Victor.
                            "What has the Church gained if it is popular, but there is no conviction, no repentance, no power?" - A.W. Tozer

                            "... there are two parties in Washington, the stupid party and the evil party, who occasionally get together and do something both stupid and evil, and this is called bipartisanship." - Everett Dirksen

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                            • #44
                              Question. Was there a part in his chrismation where he had to renounce things he believed as a Protestant Evangelical ? If so, which ecumenical counsels are usually sighted as reasons for him having to renounce the main and basic principles of the Protestant Reformation ?
                              “Every promise of Scripture is a writing of God, which may be pleaded before Him with this reasonable request, ‘Do as Thou hast said.’ The Heavenly Father will not break His Word to His own child.”― Charles H. Spurgeon

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Sentient 6 View Post
                                Question. Was there a part in his chrismation where he had to renounce things he believed as a Protestant Evangelical ? If so, which ecumenical counsels are usually sighted as reasons for him having to renounce the main and basic principles of the Protestant Reformation ?
                                No. He recited the Nicene Creed, and pledged to hold to the teachings of the ecumenical councils.
                                Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

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