Preterism Is Dangerous

[Xru]

AlphaBravo, Darfius is is ignorant, arrogant, insufficient, conceited, unspiritual, worldly, reactionary, conciliatory, inconsistent, having a form of godliness while denying its power, illogical and above all false.

Nice adjective stringing dizzle. I didn't know you had it in you. What a woman!

[Teluog]

Dizzle is more dangerous than preterism.

[seanD]

But it's just basically ad hom with so substance attached. At least Darfius added something to his adjectives.

[AlphaBravo]

But it's just basically ad hom with so substance attached. At least Darfius added something to his adjectives.

I think if you take the time to read the OP you will see that Dizz was just mocking Darfs own eloquent and unassailable argument.

Preterism is ignorant, arrogant, insufficient, conceited, unspiritual, worldly, reactionary, conciliatory, inconsistent, having a form of godliness while denying its power, illogical and above all false.

[seanD]

Yes, I was aware of that. I just didn't really understand the praise it got.

[Xru]

But it's just basically ad hom with so substance attached. At least Darfius added something to his adjectives.

But well done. I'm sure she was just in a rush an could do much better.

[Dee Dee Warren]

Alpha, it's like explaining a joke to a roomful of blondes at times.

Xru, I forgot pantywaist.

[Darfius]

AlphaBravo, Darfius is is ignorant, arrogant, insufficient, conceited, unspiritual, worldly, reactionary, conciliatory, inconsistent, having a form of godliness while denying its power, illogical and above all false.

Am I going to have to wait another year and a half for that reply you promised me?

[One Bad Pig]

Dee Dee never promised you a response here, Darfius. She only hoped to deal with some of your comments later. She's already told you to not expect a further response here.

[Dee Dee Warren]

Piggo you rock. Barfius is on my ignore list, but thanks for showing his dissembling---more vindication for my decision.

[TyRockwell]

AlphaBravo, Darfius is is ignorant, arrogant, insufficient, conceited, unspiritual, worldly, reactionary, conciliatory, inconsistent, having a form of godliness while denying its power, illogical and above all false.

Hi, Dizzle,
The problem with preterism, is the same as with too much a futurism perpective. It sees no "to do" actions for the church to take. Either its all been done, as in fullfilled, or it is all inevitablely going to happen on pre-ordained dates that only God knows. We need to see that God is using His children to "make all Christ's enemies a footstool for his feet." Acts 2:34-35. Until then, Jesus remains seated at God's right hand, waiting for us to do what prophetic revelation tells us to do. Psalm 110:1 is repeated too many times in the New Testament, for it to be some vague, "pie in the sky" set of circumstances that we will find ourselves in. No, it is is a goal we should be actively working toward accomplishing. Partial futurism is the proper recognition of what has been fulfilled, and also what is remaining for us to do.

[Teluog]

I'm not a preterist, but I don't think partial preterists rule out that God is no longer putting enemies below his feet. I would think their view that we are somewhere in the millenial reign means that we are to assist God in putting those enemies beneath his feet until the millenial reign is over?

[maudman]

Hi, Dizzle,
The problem with preterism, is the same as with too much a futurism perpective. It sees no "to do" actions for the church to take. Either its all been done, as in fullfilled, or it is all inevitablely going to happen on pre-ordained dates that only God knows. We need to see that God is using His children to "make all Christ's enemies a footstool for his feet." Acts 2:34-35. Until then, Jesus remains seated at God's right hand, waiting for us to do what prophetic revelation tells us to do. Psalm 110:1 is repeated too many times in the New Testament, for it to be some vague, "pie in the sky" set of circumstances that we will find ourselves in. No, it is is a goal we should be actively working toward accomplishing. Partial futurism is the proper recognition of what has been fulfilled, and also what is remaining for us to do.

Not bad Tye,

There is seemingly a balance to things.. From a Israelite/Jewish perspective there is definitely a preterism to Christianity.. The Preterism is The Lord had Fulfilled his promise to Abraham.. In the Prophetic vision there is a dual fulfillment.. Not in a since that there are two covenants, but that the old is a vision for the new.. As is in the Old was concealed the new from the truthful perspective.. The Church in the prophetic vision is in the world as CHrist was in the first coming.. Often many Futurist take certain scripture and try to apply it to the world in general when scripture really is just talking about the Church or the Children of Promise.. Basically things were to be a certain way and things are in particular for the church and are being fulfilled in the continual promises of God.. It's why you have the Macabee's in the RC Scripture.. The Lord himself rebuilds the temple after the fall of Babylon in the vision of scripture.. In the old is concealed the new.. The stories themselves have dual fulfillment.. The children or the faithful of the God are bound as written in a preterism as all has been fulfilled so that we can see what the futre holds for us and indeed provides as we live in the future and the past simultaneously as the kingdom of heaven forcefully advances..

[AlphaBravo]

Hi, Dizzle,
The problem with preterism, is the same as with too much a futurism perpective. It sees no "to do" actions for the church to take. Either its all been done, as in fullfilled, or it is all inevitablely going to happen on pre-ordained dates that only God knows. We need to see that God is using His children to "make all Christ's enemies a footstool for his feet." Acts 2:34-35. Until then, Jesus remains seated at God's right hand, waiting for us to do what prophetic revelation tells us to do. Psalm 110:1 is repeated too many times in the New Testament, for it to be some vague, "pie in the sky" set of circumstances that we will find ourselves in. No, it is is a goal we should be actively working toward accomplishing. Partial futurism is the proper recognition of what has been fulfilled, and also what is remaining for us to do.

I am interested in this discussions since I am still in the formative stages and seem to find myself leaning closer to something called preterism/postmilleniallism.
I too see the implications you mention here but I am not convinced that it is as bad as you indicate, perhaps I am not being consistent here.

I think there remains a directive to teach all nations but I see this becoming self fulfilling and self perpetuating.
I believe that the last enemy to be put under the feet of Christ is death and so there remains the reign of Christ until this is done. I'm not sure what else you are referring to.
I believe that the first and second great commandments remain.
I think there remains the destruction of the physical universe and a general resurrection and transformation of the saints.

I'm pretty sure I do not believe that there remains any prophesied chronological terminus for the universe or unfullfilled signs of world events. If the world lasts another 10,000 years I would not be surprised. I believe in the power of the message of Christ to transform the world and that it will do so irregardless and even in spite of the action of any one person or denomination or political party,etc.

We are entering an age that is similar to the time when God confounded the languages at the Tower of Babel. Nearly the entire world is now able to communicate in a single language. God said that in that circumstance "Nothing shall be impossible for them". The world is a supercomputer with 7 billion parallel processors all communicating and working on the same problems. We are every day discovering the truth about the universe and it will continue to demonstrate and vindicate God until every knee will bow at the name of Christ.

[Darfius]

We are entering an age that is similar to the time when God confounded the languages at the Tower of Babel. Nearly the entire world is now able to communicate in a single language. God said that in that circumstance "Nothing shall be impossible for them". The world is a supercomputer with 7 billion parallel processors all communicating and working on the same problems. We are every day discovering the truth about the universe and it will continue to demonstrate and vindicate God until every knee will bow at the name of Christ.

I'm not sure if you understood that God clearly considered it a bad thing for "nothing to be impossible for them." That's the primary reason given for Him scattering them, in fact. The subsequent tribalism acted as a check and balance against man's corruption being enforced on a global scale. I wrote a little poem to illustrate the idea:

When those scattered at Babel become one,
when all men again speak a common tongue,
nothing then shall stand in man's way,
from hastening his own end of days.