Preterism Is Dangerous

[One Bad Pig]

I think Preterism is dangerous because they will not be looking for certain signs and they think the false Christs have already come. So when they see someone perform miracles are they going to follow that being even if that being makes a statement about being God?

What, like people who follow someone who claimed to be better than Jesus?

[fm93]

I think Preterism is dangerous because they will not be looking for certain signs and they think the false Christs have already come. So when they see someone perform miracles are they going to follow that being even if that being makes a statement about being God?

Let's turn this around. I think futurism is dangerous because its adherents will be looking for signs of the Second Coming in every nook and cranny, and will proclaim that every single war, famine and earthquake is a sure guarantee that the end is imminent. When a Christ-like figure comes, many will overeagerly pursue him, believing that at long last, Christ has returned. Consequently, diehard futurists are the most vulnerable to deception.

But you might assert "Not so! We futurists believe ALL of Christ's words, and we know his proclamation that 'as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.'" However, those futurists tend to interpret EVERY disaster as a blatantly visible sign, so anyone who comes in times of tribulation can legitimately claim that the coming is as visible as lightning.

Furthermore, we musn't forget that even the firmest believers ARE human and have natural curiosity and limited patience. When the constant promises that Christ could literally return to the physical Earth at any moment continue to go unfulfilled, people will eventually wonder why the assurance of a return by the end of the generation has been unmet for fifty generations. Eventually they'll put two and two together and follow through on the logical conclusion--and the results aren't good.

Now, let me make this abundantly clear: I do NOT think that the above pertains to all futurists. In fact, the vast, vast majority of futurists I know are nothing like that, but rather are like patient, faithful servants, as scripture commands us to be. The point of the above was to turn the tables on your unfair generalization of all preterists into a single negative category.

[seanD]

Yes, preterists are so retarded that we follow ever whim of heresy we hear. Lol, critical thinking - whuddat?

When Jesus meant the very elect could be deceived, I don't think Jesus had the Benny Hinns or Jim Jones in mind. Correlate this deception with 2 Thess 2:9-11, something extraordinarily unassailable that will collectively fool the entire world, and something that may not be humanly induced, but supernaturally induced. If this is future, this isn't suppose to happen based on preterist belief, so it must be true, and the rationales will begin. It doesn't take much for Christians to readjust their scriptural perceptions of Genesis, Luke's genealogy, and Paul's teachings about death via Adam just based on what human naturalists claim.

[95th]

For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible.

Mathew 24;24

note the "if that were possible"

[Obsidian]

I could be wrong, 95th, but I suspect that's a biased Calvinist translation.

Imo, Jesus is referring to the people described in Colossians and 1 John.

[seanD]

For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible.

Mathew 24;24

note the "if that were possible"

Yes, but there are two questions that arise. Not all Christians are going to qualify as the elect, as per Matthew 7:22-23. So who are the elect? But most importantly. What prevents them from being deceived apart from everyone else? There will always be gullible dupes, but most of the populations of the world, including Christians, are pretty wise and prudent and don't easily buy into tricksters and conmen like the Benny Hinns of the world. If we hypothetically assume futurism is true, it's obviously a pretty powerful deception.

And you're missing the initial point. Preterists assume that this happened, so they're not expecting anything like this to happen in the future.

[95th]

Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

Matthew 7:22-23

Note the " i never knew you"


Yes i'm being biased, i am a cavinist ;-)

[Manwë Súlimo]

Yes i'm being biased, i am a cavinist ;-)

lol calvinism

[95th]

lol calvinism

[seanD]

Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

Matthew 7:22-23

Note the " i never knew you"


Yes i'm being biased, i am a cavinist ;-)

Is that what you're gonna resort to? I'm not a Calvinist. Ask RBerman lol.

I'm not even sure how you correlate that with Calvinism to be honest. Don't Calvinists believe that all who come to the Father are predestined? John 6:44 contradicts that. Why would the Father draw those to him that aren't predestined?

[95th]

I'm not a Calvinist

ok i didn't know, it doesn't say on your or manwe's profile's what Soteriology you hold too

[seanD]

ok i didn't know, it doesn't say on your or manwe's profile's what Soteriology you hold too

But not to get too off topic, explain to me how you correlate that with Calvinism anyway. I don't see it.

[95th]

well if jesus said he "never knew them" i take it he never knew them, which means they were never his in the first place, which means they were never saved period.

But i'm not turning this into a calvin - Molina debate.

[Manwë Súlimo]

lol calvinism arguments

[seanD]

well if jesus said he "never knew them" i take it he never knew them, which means they were never his in the first place, which means they were never saved period.

But i'm not turning this into a calvin - Molina debate.

I don't think people can pretend to be Christian on that level. Look at how much hatred is spewed out against Christianity by atheists and agnostics. Something about those Christians made them go astray -- perhaps a very powerful deception?

Anyway, to get back on topic. The point is, preterists assume this happened. If they're wrong, then there will be a very powerful deception coming that will collectively fool the world. Those who have subscribed to preterism with unmovable conviction are in danger. It's difficult for someone to admit they were wrong. It's much easier to rationalize things away. That was the point I"m sure was initially being made.