Are religion and peace incompatible?

[Darth Executor]

I did not insult Christians. I merely provided quotes from the Bible. I guess it is insulting to Christians to actually see what their holy book says. I'm not surprised. I'd be insulted to if I knew that the text that's supposed to be infallible suggests that men should rule over women, kill disobedient children and people who work on a sunday, or that the world was created 6000 years ago.

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[Enoughie]

And this, of course, is all meant in the most charitable way possible. Nope, no insulting Christians here. This guy is a straight shooter, folks. Don't let anybody tell you otherwise.

I'm sorry. The Bible is inherently insulting

[lilpixieofterror]

Life, freedom, equality, honesty, and generosity - they all tend to go hand in hand

Which, of course, that is just your opinion, but what is very funny is that many religions tend to value all of these principles too. Jesus is often started as accepting all of these policies and they were adapted into modern society. AKA, you value these because Christian values have been engrained into our society.

You just justified infanticide in the Bible, because the people "didn't have enough resources to support everyone." That logically makes you pro-choice. If you're not pro-choice, then you're just confused, because that is what the bible suggests there."

More non-arguments and ignorance I see. No dear boy it doesn't since our society has all the resources it needs and we even have an abundence of resources that are 10 times better than even the best fields could have produced 2 or 3 thousand years ago. Yet again, your narrow minded fundism comes shining though again. Besides, you know how they most often control population? Give you a hint, they often didn't resort to kill one another. Second, how does this address my origional argument? It doesn't, it is more of your little distraction games because I brought up this thing called 'context' and you couldn't answer it. Now run away to your blog so you can spread your ignorance and nonsense to more ignorant people.

Also, please explain why the Bible says we should stone to death people who work on the sabbath. What was the problem there? over-employment?

I guess it couldn't be the fact they didn't have this thing called 'jails' and well... what is amusing is watching you using your subjective moral opinion to condemn things you dislike. Why is it wrong? Because you said so? What makes it wrong? Care to answer?

Nice. The whole point was that EVEN in Ancient Egypt there were women leaders. But I guess you're right. Over 4000 years of history and you found 2 Jewish/Christian women leaders. Very egalitarian.

One women leader in the pagan world, whose history was erased and legacy was with-held from history is proof that the pagans were all for women. You're very amusing, you know that? I just listed out two examples, there's numerious ones found in the Gospels, Acts, and Pauls letters. Care to try this again or do you want to keep sounding like an illiterate fool that doens't know what he'st alking about?

It's funny that you even raise up the issue of intelligence. If I were you, I'd read again that part in the Bible that says women should be quiet when men are having a debate.

You are aware that in the ancient world, men were told to learn in quietness and full submission and Paul was telling Timothy that women should learn the same way that men learn. In other words, you ignorant dope, Paul was saying the oposite of what you think he was saying. Oh dear, narrow fundism strikes again! Keep it up and I will keep exposing your ignorance before all or do you want to keep making me laugh?

I asked for 1 internal policy change in any of the ME countries (except of course Iraq). You still didn't provide that. You clearly have no idea of what you're talking about..

So allowing US troops to stay in their country when before they wouldn't allow US troops in their country is not a major policy change? Yet again, your ignorance speaks volumes. How do you suppose that we stay in countries like Saudi, Qatar, the UAE, or Kuwait? We use money or favors to allow us to stay. Sorry dear, but you just exposed your own ignorance before all. Now run away and stop trying to tell adults how the world works.

[lilpixieofterror]

I did not insult Christians. I merely provided quotes from the Bible. I guess it is insulting to Christians to actually see what their holy book says. I'm not surprised. I'd be insulted to if I knew that the text that's supposed to be infallible suggests that men should rule over women, kill disobedient children and people who work on a sunday, or that the world was created 6000 years ago.

If you mean that you provided fundism that isn't context, than yes, you are correct. you did 'quote' from the Bible. It's too bad that the rest of us are more educated and can see right though your emotionalism, eh?

[Darth Executor]

Yes, if people realized that there's something wrong when Hitler started taking away people's rights (freedom), claimed that non-Aryans are inferior to Aryans (equality), banned books from the library and censored the media (honesty), and killed off the disabled, instead of supporting them (generosity), then WWII would never have happened.But you're right. It's easier to "cure" a patient with a butcher knife, then trying to figure out the source of the illness.

Indeed, if everyone was nice and civil to each other, there would be no war. In other news, if lions were vegetarian they would not eat other animals. Clearly you have a battle-tested solution that's proven to work as evidenced by the lack of mass murder of unborn children in the west.

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[Mountain Man]

I'm sorry. The Bible is inherently insulting

And this coming from a guy who was whining about lack of civility. I don't suppose it would help any if I pointed out that your theory of genorsity is really just a redressing of the Golden Rule.

[Challenger Grim]

In other words, you don't have an argument and are left with trying to back peddle from your failing position. Not suprising since you can't think.

I see that humor and figures of speech are as beyond you as common sense and rational thought.

To be fair, he earlier admitted that English was his "third language" so it should be no surprise that he's making a lot of errors of phrase.

[Enoughie]

If you mean that you provided fundism that isn't context, than yes, you are correct. you did 'quote' from the Bible. It's too bad that the rest of us are more educated and can see right though your emotionalism, eh?

Yes. You're all "educated" to realize that that the nonsense in the Bible does not apply to your life anymore. Unfortunately, to realize that it doesn't apply you didn't use the Bible. You used the Enlightenment. Christianity has been the force that holds back progress every step of the way. From forcing Galileo to deny science, to allowing slavery for over 3800 years (at what point did Christianity realize that we don't need to hold slaves?), to objecting to the women's sexual revolution in the 1920s, to allowing equal rights to gays today. The more you're educated the less you're religious.

[Challenger Grim]

And this coming from a guy who was whining about lack of civility. I don't suppose it would help any if I pointed out that your theory of genorsity is really just a redressing of the Golden Rule.

I believe I already pointed that out.
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[Challenger Grim]

Yes. You're all "educated" to realize that that the nonsense in the Bible does not apply to your life anymore. Unfortunately, to realize that it doesn't apply you didn't use the Bible. You used the Enlightenment. Christianity has been the force that holds back progress every step of the way. From forcing Galileo to deny science, to allowing slavery for over 3800 years (at what point did Christianity realize that we don't need to hold slaves?), to objecting to the women's sexual revolution in the 1920s, to allowing equal rights to gays today. The more you're educated the less you're religious.

Alright, well any chance I was going to read your stuff or even give it close to a fair hearing just went up in flames.

Congrats, you just demonstrated yourself as NOT a serious thinker, and one as concerned about evidence and facts as conspiracy theorists. There is no more reason to take you seriously than a physicist to consider the claim that we didn't land on the moon.

[Enoughie]

Indeed, if everyone was nice and civil to each other, there would be no war. In other news, if lions were vegetarian they would not eat other animals. Clearly you have a battle-tested solution that's proven to work as evidenced by the lack of mass murder of unborn children in the west.

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Yes, people also die from heart disease in the West. Over 600,000 every year. Do you think that's a problem? Or you don't really care about life. Only about the few talking points your church preaches?

If all life is sacred, what we have to do is educate people to eat healthy food, and practice sex safely. It's not going to get better if you're only addressing the issue once a doctor has to get involved.

[Enoughie]

Alright, well any chance I was going to read your stuff or even give it close to a fair hearing just went up in flames.

Congrats, you just demonstrated yourself as NOT a serious thinker, and one as concerned about evidence and facts as conspiracy theorists. There is no more reason to take you seriously than a physicist to consider the claim that we didn't land on the moon.

Where am I wrong exactly? Are you claiming that mainstream Christianity objected to slavery until the 19th century? Or supported science when it seemed to go against the Bible? (ie. Galileo, and evolution today?)

Are Evangelicals today on the side of evolution and science? Or are they on the side of "intelligent design"?

[Darth Executor]

Yes, people also die from heart disease in the West. Over 600,000 every year. Do you think that's a problem?

Yes. There's a world of difference between disease and intentionally killing someone. Diseases are not sentient beings that can be held morally culpable. And they have nothing to do with the subject at hand. Do you always get this incoherent when you're losing a debate?

Or you don't really care about life. Only about the few talking points your church preaches?

I'd care even if I was an atheist. You OTOH don't really care about life since you're touting western society, whose murder rates easily match those of dictatorships as paragons of peace and liberty. And what is it with you dragging my religion into this? it's like the third time already. I guess bigotry is all you can really resort to now that your stupid, uninformed arguments have been reduced to little more than a grimy paste.

If all life is sacred, what we have to do is educate people to eat healthy food, and practice sex safely.

Typical liberal insanity. You think your solutions don't work because you just don't articulate them enough. It's impossible to live in western society and not hear incessant chatter about safe sex and healthy food. People have irresponsible sex and eat crap food knowing full well they could suffer nasty consequences. They just don't care for reasons that have nothing to do with a lack of education on those issues.

[Enoughie]

Yes. There's a world of difference between disease and intentionally killing someone. Diseases are not sentient beings that can be held morally culpable. And they have nothing to do with the subject at hand. Do you always get this incoherent when you're losing a debate?

If the whole point is to hold someone culpable, then sure. Let's go your way. Not educate anyone, and let them make their stupid choices. Fact is, as long as people are going to be irresponsible - in what they eat, how they drive, how they use weapons, how they use their money, how they have sex, many people are going to get hurt. Sure, some people are just not going to care anyway. But the vast majority are just ignorant about these issues. I never said I support abortion in any way - I don't. But if you want to prevent it, it HAS to start with education. People being irresponsible is the exact result of no education.

I'd care even if I was an atheist. You OTOH don't really care about life since you're touting western society, whose murder rates easily match those of dictatorships as paragons of peace and liberty. And what is it with you dragging my religion into this? it's like the third time already. I guess bigotry is all you can really resort to now that your stupid, uninformed arguments have been reduced to little more than a grimy paste.

No they're not. In dictatorships you also have abortions in addition to plain murder, and you have death from teenage pregnancies (especially in Islamic societies, where 13 yr old girls are given to old men), so it's not murder instead of abortions, it's in addition to.

Typical liberal insanity. You think your solutions don't work because you just don't articulate them enough. It's impossible to live in western society and not hear incessant chatter about safe sex and healthy food. People have irresponsible sex and eat crap food knowing full well they could suffer nasty consequences. They just don't care for reasons that have nothing to do with a lack of education on those issues.

Right. It's because they just don't care in general - which is the result of poor education.

[Enoughie]

And this coming from a guy who was whining about lack of civility. I don't suppose it would help any if I pointed out that your theory of genorsity is really just a redressing of the Golden Rule.

It's not a redressing, it's an improvement. You don't think there's a difference between reciprocity and generosity?