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Baptise in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit

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  • Baptise in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit

    I am dealing with someone who said:

    In the only codices which would be even likely to preserve an older reading, namely the Sinaitic Syriac and the oldest Latin Manuscript, the pages are GONE which contained the end of Matthew 28. Frederick Cornwallis Conybeare (1856 - 9 January 1924) Professor of Theology at the University of Oxford.

    Apparently copied from this article:

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/re.../1461121/posts

    Is this true?

    Thank you.

  • #2
    If it is true, what does it matter? In every manuscript where Matthew 28:19 is preserved the phrase "baptise them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" is included. No one with even an ounce of intellectual integrity will base their arguments about textual corruption on parts of manuscripts that aren't even available to us anymore.

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    • #3
      Conybeare was a dedicated Unitarian (and so had an agenda to follow) and is a century out of date.

      The formula is also in the Didache, which is usually dated to c. AD 70.

      I'll try to remember to check when I get home (I have a couple books relevant to the question).
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      • #4
        Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
        Conybeare was a dedicated Unitarian (and so had an agenda to follow) and is a century out of date.

        The formula is also in the Didache, which is usually dated to c. AD 70.

        I'll try to remember to check when I get home (I have a couple books relevant to the question).

        What did you mean when you said Conybeare was out of date?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
          What did you mean when you said Conybeare was out of date?
          We've discovered more early manuscripts since he wrote.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
            We've discovered more early manuscripts since he wrote.
            http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/q_mt28_19.htm

            Surely, Conybeare would have been aware of these quotes, but obviously did not include them in his book. Why?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
              I am dealing with someone who said:

              In the only codices which would be even likely to preserve an older reading, namely the Sinaitic Syriac and the oldest Latin Manuscript, the pages are GONE which contained the end of Matthew 28. Frederick Cornwallis Conybeare (1856 - 9 January 1924) Professor of Theology at the University of Oxford.

              Apparently copied from this article:

              http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/re.../1461121/posts

              Is this true?

              Thank you.
              Even if it is true (I don't know, I haven't looked at the manuscripts myself), you'd be hard pressed to find any textual critic in the Western World who believes that the Latin and Syriac editions of the NT preserve an earlier tradition than Sinaiticus and Vaticanus.

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