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  • #16
    And Hillary was campaigning for twelve years.
    When I Survey....

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Meh Gerbil View Post
      For anyone from a country that has a monarchy to bag on a republic that has never had one would be laughable.
      You realize the Queen does nothing but wave at people these days right?

      Fun historical fact... at the time of America's founding, Britain was already well on the road to democracy and had stripped much of the power away from the monarch and given it to parliament, but it was the British parliament who was being the most oppressive towards the American colonies whereas the British king was being largely quite nice towards the colonies. So this lead to some of the US founding fathers being quite peeved that it was the parliament and not the king who had most of the power in Britain, so when they drafted the US political system they created an elected-monarch (a "President") who they gave massive amounts of political power to (levels that the British kings of the time could have only dreamed of having). Since that time Britain has continued to strip power from its monarchy and give it to the parliament, while the US Presidents have gradually managed to consolidate more and more power for themselves and pulled it out of the hands of congress (e.g. they now do wars without congressional approval).

      My country still nominally has the British Queen as our figurehead. A few people have talked about us becoming a 'republic', but frankly what's the point? It would cost a lot of money to do so, because currently we get the queen for free, and we'd have to replace her with some sort of nominal President or something and fund the President if we became a republic. And I guess technically if our democratic government absolutely collapsed in some sort of chaotic coup, it's good to have a foreign neutral party like the Queen who technically has on paper the power to step in and say "ahem, I declare there will be a new democratic election on this date" (though of course whether anyone would listen if things had gotten that bad is another matter).
      "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
      "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
      "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Faber View Post
        And Hillary was campaigning for twelve years.
        IMO length of elections is largely a function of corruption. Campaigning takes money. If the politics is hugely corrupt then there are huge channels of private money flowing to the politicians and political parties, so they've got money to burn on year-long campaigns. If politics isn't corrupt and the political parties have a small budget, the length of time they spend campaigning is short.

        I donated a couple of hundred dollars to my favorite political party here to help them with their campaign in this year's election, and they emailed me back saying thank you and that they'd managed to raise $100,000 in total for this year's election campaign. That'll buy them plenty of billboards and leaflets. But obviously it won't buy them a multi-month TV advertising barrage. (Although it's worth noting that that is the 3rd biggest of our 7 parties that typically win seats, the two biggest parties typically have budgets around the 1-3 million dollar mark)
        "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
        "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
        "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
          My country still nominally has the British Queen as our figurehead.
          Doug Stanhope commented on this very thing.
          We point out that you've a monarchy and your rejoinder is "Well, she doesn't do anything."

          The think the Founding Fathers decided that if you guys want to live out some Dungeons & Dragons fantasy you could do it on your own dime.
          Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Meh Gerbil View Post
            The think the Founding Fathers decided that if you guys want to live out some Dungeons & Dragons fantasy you could do it on your own dime.
            It doesn't cost us money.
            "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
            "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
            "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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            • #21
              Originally posted by stfoskey15 View Post
              What does Scotland turning even yellower mean? I've never heard the term yellow used in politics before.
              Extrapolate from 'red' and 'blue' states.
              Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.

              MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
              MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.

              seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                You realize the Queen does nothing but wave at people these days right?

                Fun historical fact... at the time of America's founding, Britain was already well on the road to democracy and had stripped much of the power away from the monarch and given it to parliament, but it was the British parliament who was being the most oppressive towards the American colonies whereas the British king was being largely quite nice towards the colonies. So this lead to some of the US founding fathers being quite peeved that it was the parliament and not the king who had most of the power in Britain, so when they drafted the US political system they created an elected-monarch (a "President") who they gave massive amounts of political power to (levels that the British kings of the time could have only dreamed of having). Since that time Britain has continued to strip power from its monarchy and give it to the parliament, while the US Presidents have gradually managed to consolidate more and more power for themselves and pulled it out of the hands of congress (e.g. they now do wars without congressional approval).

                My country still nominally has the British Queen as our figurehead. A few people have talked about us becoming a 'republic', but frankly what's the point? It would cost a lot of money to do so, because currently we get the queen for free, and we'd have to replace her with some sort of nominal President or something and fund the President if we became a republic. And I guess technically if our democratic government absolutely collapsed in some sort of chaotic coup, it's good to have a foreign neutral party like the Queen who technically has on paper the power to step in and say "ahem, I declare there will be a new democratic election on this date" (though of course whether anyone would listen if things had gotten that bad is another matter).
                Queen of England is no more the Queen of Australia than the CEO of BHP would be the CEO of R M Williams if they happened to be the same person. Duties of the monarch with regard to England are not the same as those with regard to Australia: monarch of England doesn't have the power to sack the govt over there, for example.
                Come to think of it - the queen may have given up the title of empress, but the term would be more applicable given the way things actually work.
                1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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                Scripture before Tradition:
                but that won't prevent others from
                taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                of the right to call yourself Christian.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                  IMO length of elections is largely a function of corruption. Campaigning takes money. If the politics is hugely corrupt then there are huge channels of private money flowing to the politicians and political parties, so they've got money to burn on year-long campaigns. If politics isn't corrupt and the political parties have a small budget, the length of time they spend campaigning is short.

                  I donated a couple of hundred dollars to my favorite political party here to help them with their campaign in this year's election, and they emailed me back saying thank you and that they'd managed to raise $100,000 in total for this year's election campaign. That'll buy them plenty of billboards and leaflets. But obviously it won't buy them a multi-month TV advertising barrage. (Although it's worth noting that that is the 3rd biggest of our 7 parties that typically win seats, the two biggest parties typically have budgets around the 1-3 million dollar mark)
                  IIRC, Torys had a budget of ~£3m, with Labour & Lib Dems having around £2m each respectively for the last GE.

                  Though there is an issue with shinanigans on Tory funding from the previous GE which to my knowledge hasn't been resolved yet.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by seer View Post
                    Wait - I thought the Kennedys were Royalty...
                    So Roy isn't short for Royalty?
                    We are therefore Christ's ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore on Christ's behalf: 'Be reconciled to God!!'
                    - 2 Corinthians 5:20.
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                      It doesn't cost us money.
                      someone is paying for the queen and her family to live the life of luxury in Buckingham Palace and have 24/7 servants and guards.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by stfoskey15 View Post
                        What does Scotland turning even yellower mean? I've never heard the term yellow used in politics before.
                        It obviously means there will be more lights on than in last election.
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                        We are therefore Christ's ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore on Christ's behalf: 'Be reconciled to God!!'
                        - 2 Corinthians 5:20.
                        In deviantArt: ll-bisto-ll.deviantart.com
                        Christian art and more: Christians.deviantart.com

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Bisto View Post
                          So Roy isn't short for Royalty?
                          Well he thinks so...
                          Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                            someone is paying for the queen and her family to live the life of luxury in Buckingham Palace and have 24/7 servants and guards.
                            Well as a Christian I am a Monarchist.
                            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Roy View Post
                              The UK is about to demonstrate (probably) how to run a national election in only 8 weeks.
                              ...and the race is on. The election proposal passed with 522 MPs voting for, 13 against, 114 not voting.
                              Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.

                              MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
                              MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.

                              seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Bisto View Post
                                So Roy isn't short for Royalty?
                                Nor Royalist.
                                Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.

                                MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
                                MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.

                                seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...

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