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    Y'all are definitely the kool kidz, delightful responses indeed. Now, let's turn our attention to James 4:1-11:

    [Warning Against Worldliness]

    4 What causes quarrels and what causes fights among you? Is it not this, that your passions are at war within you? 2 You desire and do not have, so you murder. You covet and cannot obtain, so you fight and quarrel. You do not have, because you do not ask. 3 You ask and do not receive, because you ask wrongly, to spend it on your passions. 4 You adulterous people! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. 5 Or do you suppose it is to no purpose that the Scripture says, “He yearns jealously over the spirit that he has made to dwell in us”? 6 But he gives more grace. Therefore it says, “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.” 7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8 Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded. 9 Be wretched and mourn and weep. Let your laughter be turned to mourning and your joy to gloom. 10 Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will exalt you.

    11 Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge.


    Please pay special attention to the bold portion. Do you think letting go of your inhibitions, losing self-control to varying degrees, and getting lost in songs that often times celebrate alienation from God is appropriate in light of what James touches upon? If the Apostle's, for example, could see me dancing and lip-syncing Taylor Swift in a delirious state -- do you think they would be OK with such behavior or would they liken it to ritualistic activity akin to Greek mystery religion? Didn't Jesus state that one must hate their own life in order to be a disciple? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the language Jesus uses is more forceful -- to the point where one needs to deny their "soulishness" -- even hate it in order to be truly "follow" Christ.

    As an aside, precisely what OT scripture verse is James quoting in verse 5?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrawly View Post
    Y'all are definitely the kool kidz, delightful responses indeed. Now, let's turn our attention to James 4:1-11:

    [Warning Against Worldliness]

    4 What causes quarrels and what causes fights among you? Is it not this, that your passions are at war within you? 2 You desire and do not have, so you murder. You covet and cannot obtain, so you fight and quarrel. You do not have, because you do not ask. 3 You ask and do not receive, because you ask wrongly, to spend it on your passions. 4 You adulterous people! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. 5 Or do you suppose it is to no purpose that the Scripture says, “He yearns jealously over the spirit that he has made to dwell in us”? 6 But he gives more grace. Therefore it says, “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.” 7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8 Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded. 9 Be wretched and mourn and weep. Let your laughter be turned to mourning and your joy to gloom. 10 Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will exalt you.

    11 Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge.


    Please pay special attention to the bold portion. Do you think letting go of your inhibitions, losing self-control to varying degrees, and getting lost in songs that often times celebrate alienation from God is appropriate in light of what James touches upon? If the Apostle's, for example, could see me dancing and lip-syncing Taylor Swift in a delirious state -- do you think they would be OK with such behavior or would they liken it to ritualistic activity akin to Greek mystery religion? Didn't Jesus state that one must hate their own life in order to be a disciple? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the language Jesus uses is more forceful -- to the point where one needs to deny their "soulishness" -- even hate it in order to be truly "follow" Christ.

    As an aside, precisely what OT scripture verse is James quoting in verse 5?
    If you are dancing deliriously to Taylor Swift, you should not only end up in hell, but should spend the rest of your life in a mental institution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrawly
    Please pay special attention to the bold portion. Do you think letting go of your inhibitions, losing self-control to varying degrees, and getting lost in songs that often times celebrate alienation from God is appropriate in light of what James touches upon?
    I do think that God frowns on songs that celebrate alienation from him. If we are going to listen to those at all, then we shouldn't get attached. Since you mentioned Taylor Swift, I think that basically all the hits on her latest album convey messages that are either anti-Christian or just plain stupid.

    "Wildest Dreams" --> Please don't forget about me after our one-night stand
    "New Romantics" --> Commitment is for losers
    "Style" --> Chase the guys who have broken up with you and/or cheated
    "Shake it Off" --> Don't judge me for my foolish choices
    "Blank Space" --> My Borderline Personality Disorder is attractive

    The song "Out of the Woods Yet" also seems to celebrate drama, but at least it doesn't convey a blatantly dumb message.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obsidian View Post
    I do think that God frowns on songs that celebrate alienation from him. If we are going to listen to those at all, then we shouldn't get attached. Since you mentioned Taylor Swift, I think that basically all the hits on her latest album convey messages that are either anti-Christian or just plain stupid.

    "Wildest Dreams" --> Please don't forget about me after our one-night stand
    "New Romantics" --> Commitment is for losers
    "Style" --> Chase the guys who have broken up with you and/or cheated
    "Shake it Off" --> Don't judge me for my foolish choices
    "Blank Space" --> My Borderline Personality Disorder is attractive

    The song "Out of the Woods Yet" also seems to celebrate drama, but at least it doesn't convey a blatantly dumb message.
    Well I don't even know those songs or what they are about. The fact that you do means you listen to them and therefore are going to hell.

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    They're on the radio. And they're all pretty well-written. If you haven't heard them then you must be living in a cave. But my point is that once I realized the bad messages that were being conveyed, it was sort of a turnoff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obsidian View Post
    They're on the radio. And they're all pretty well-written. If you haven't heard them then you must be living in a cave. But my point is that once I realized the bad messages that were being conveyed, it was sort of a turnoff.
    I usually am listening to audio books in the car. And as far as music goes, pretty much either stuff I have on mp3 (oldies) or Country on the radio. I gave up on pop about 5 years ago. It all sounds like it was written and produced on a computer, or is Hip Hop crud.

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    Yeah, it's pretty bad. Almost as if God gave them up to a reprobate mind, to do things that are not convenient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrawly View Post
    Y'all are definitely the kool kidz, delightful responses indeed. Now, let's turn our attention to James 4:1-11:

    [Warning Against Worldliness]

    4 What causes quarrels and what causes fights among you? Is it not this, that your passions are at war within you? 2 You desire and do not have, so you murder. You covet and cannot obtain, so you fight and quarrel. You do not have, because you do not ask. 3 You ask and do not receive, because you ask wrongly, to spend it on your passions. 4 You adulterous people! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. 5 Or do you suppose it is to no purpose that the Scripture says, “He yearns jealously over the spirit that he has made to dwell in us”? 6 But he gives more grace. Therefore it says, “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.” 7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8 Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded. 9 Be wretched and mourn and weep. Let your laughter be turned to mourning and your joy to gloom. 10 Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will exalt you.

    11 Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge.


    Please pay special attention to the bold portion. Do you think letting go of your inhibitions, losing self-control to varying degrees, and getting lost in songs that often times celebrate alienation from God is appropriate in light of what James touches upon? If the Apostle's, for example, could see me dancing and lip-syncing Taylor Swift in a delirious state -- do you think they would be OK with such behavior or would they liken it to ritualistic activity akin to Greek mystery religion? Didn't Jesus state that one must hate their own life in order to be a disciple? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the language Jesus uses is more forceful -- to the point where one needs to deny their "soulishness" -- even hate it in order to be truly "follow" Christ.

    As an aside, precisely what OT scripture verse is James quoting in verse 5?
    There isn't a precise scripture verse. It's an unknown reference or possibly a reference to a general statement or idea, according to my NRSV notes. The passage largely has to do with encouraging individuals in the community to not let their desire to sin cause them to fall and ultimately damage their relationships in the Christian community.

    "Fire is catching. If we burn, you burn with us!"
    "I'm not going anywhere. I'm going to stay here and cause all kinds of trouble."
    Katniss Everdeen


    Christ our Passover has been sacrificed for us. Therefore let us keep the feast.


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    Quote Originally Posted by thewriteranon View Post
    There isn't a precise scripture verse..
    Precisely.

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