Quote Originally posted by franktalk View Post
Composer,

You believe in science and in nature and the senses. You say that there is no such thing as supernatural forces because you can see no evidence of them. Yet you declare you have free will. Do you realize how stupid that makes you sound? Have you thought out what you say?

As a naturalist you believe in a cause and effect universe ruled by natural laws. That directly leads to materialism and all that comes with it. As the dice was cast in the big bang everything that follows was predestined by the original conditions of the universe. Each action leads to other actions but no action is independent but caused by actions and material circumstance leading to a series of cause and effect relationships. This is the natural world you believe in. The feeling you have of free will is not real. You are a product of many preexisting conditions before you were born. And each thing you do is a result of those preconditions. You can't fool a cause and effect universe no matter how you "feel" about it.

Each neuron in your brain, each atom in each neuron changes from one moment to the next because of the actions of chemicals and electrical signals that were set in motion by others the moment before. You are ruled by the initial conditions of the universe. This is what you believe, you have stated you believe in science. Science has never seen free will, they have only seen behavior caused by other environments. Each can be broken into a cause and effect string going back to the big bang. So what is this junk about your free will? Are you telling me that you believe in something outside of science? Are you telling me that you believe in a force that is not measurable by science?

At least I am consistent with what I believe. It is you that is a pile of contradicting statements.
Very good point Frank.