Do Mormons have "authority" over the Holy Ghost?

[Cow Poke]

Here is what LDST said...

IMO, it was Jesus’ High Priest authority transferred to His Apostles when He ordained them that made all the authoritative difference which caused sickness, spirits, and devils and the Holy Ghost to obey His ordained Apostles.

Now, I actually think LDST goofed, and just doesn't have the integrity to admit it. But I'm curious about the "lumping together" of the Holy Ghost with "sickness, spirits and devils".

LDST has already argued that he never used the word "command" (which I had inferred) from his use of the word "obey".

He then DID use the word "request", which he had NOT implied.

Regardless of what the "action" is "required" on the part of the Apostles, the Holy Ghost is STILL "lumped in" with "sickness, spirits and devils".

Since LDST cannot seem to separate or clarify, I was wondering if there were some teaching or doctrine which led Mormons to believe that they have any power at all over the Holy Ghost.

Is the Holy Ghost obligated, in Mormon-think, to "obey" Mormon "Apostles"?

Now, LDST in particular -- you are free to attack my position as Pastor, or my age, or whatever else you'd like to attack on a personal level (if that's all ya got) but I would appreciate a clarification on the matter of the OP of this thread.

Thanks.

[BrotherAardvark]

Is the Holy Ghost obligated, in Mormon-think, to "obey" Mormon "Apostles"?

No, of course not.

[Cow Poke]

No, of course not.

I would expect such a comment from you, BA -- clear, and concise - and common sense!

Good to see you again.

[JAYMZ]

I think it was just an example of foot-in-mouth disease.

But with LDST, you never know.

[Cow Poke]

I think it was just an example of foot-in-mouth disease.

But with LDST, you never know.

I tend to agree! But he has an opportunity to clear it all up here without {gasp} "skirting the OP".

[JAYMZ]

........without {gasp} "skirting the OP".

Oh CP...... you're such a funny guy.

[Cow Poke]

Yoohoo... LDST.... care to comment?

[Cow Poke]

Yoohoo... LDST.... care to comment?

[Bill the Cat]

crickets are jealous...

[Janice]

Here is what LDST said...



Now, I actually think LDST goofed, and just doesn't have the integrity to admit it. But I'm curious about the "lumping together" of the Holy Ghost with "sickness, spirits and devils".

LDST has already argued that he never used the word "command" (which I had inferred) from his use of the word "obey".

He then DID use the word "request", which he had NOT implied.

Regardless of what the "action" is "required" on the part of the Apostles, the Holy Ghost is STILL "lumped in" with "sickness, spirits and devils".

Since LDST cannot seem to separate or clarify, I was wondering if there were some teaching or doctrine which led Mormons to believe that they have any power at all over the Holy Ghost.

Is the Holy Ghost obligated, in Mormon-think, to "obey" Mormon "Apostles"?

Now, LDST in particular -- you are free to attack my position as Pastor, or my age, or whatever else you'd like to attack on a personal level (if that's all ya got) but I would appreciate a clarification on the matter of the OP of this thread.

Thanks.

Well, there are laws that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost must obey. God is obligated to obey laws according to D&C 82:10.

"He is bound to fulfill His promises, for He is a being of complete integrity who conforms totally to the laws of righteousness. He is a celestial being and abides by celestial law, for any being 'who is not able to abide the law of a celestial kingdom cannot abide a celestial glory' (D&C 88:22)."
The Doctrine and Covenants Student Manual, p. 393

However, LDS never pray to the Holy Ghost, so how can they tell Him what to do?

"As Latter-day Saints we are taught that the soul, our real self, consists of both the body and the spirit. (See D&C 88:15.) Neither part can be exalted without the other; both are necessary. Joseph Smith also taught that Satan’s punishment for his rebellion is that 'he shall not have a tabernacle.' 2 Without a tabernacle, or a body, our spirits cannot progress."
Barbara Lockhart, “The Body: A Burden or a Blessing?,” Ensign, Feb 1985, 57

"Latter-day Saints are taught that both the body and the spirit are immortal and that the resurrection is a literal reuniting of body and spirit. We will then be like God in nature, for 'the Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s.' (D&C 130:22.) "
(Ibid.)

"The Prophet Joseph Smith taught with clarity the importance of our physical bodies:

'We came to this earth that we might have a body and present it pure before God in the celestial kingdom. The great principle of happiness consists in having a body. The devil has no body, and herein is his punishment. He is pleased when he can obtain the tabernacle of man, and when cast out by the Savior he asked to go into the herd of swine, showing that he would prefer a swine’s body to having none. All beings who have bodies have power over those who have not. The devil has no power over us only as we permit him; the moment we revolt at anything which comes from God, the devil takes power.'1"
CES Fireside for Young Adults • May 3, 2009 • Brigham Young University–Idaho (bold mine)

Doctrine and Covenants 130
22 The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s; the Son also; but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of Spirit. Were it not so, the Holy Ghost could not dwell in us.

[Cow Poke]

Well, there are laws that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost must obey. God is obligated to obey laws according to D&C 82:10.

Then you don't believe in a Sovereign God?

[Cow Poke]

Doctrine and Covenants 130
22 The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s; the Son also; but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of Spirit. Were it not so, the Holy Ghost could not dwell in us.

How do you reconcile that with an earlier claim that God was "Spirit"....

a paper given on May 3 at the 1980 Mormon History Association meetings in Canandaigua, New York.

The Book of Mormon tended to define God as an absolute personage of spirit who, clothed in flesh, revealed himself in Jesus Christ (Abinidi’s sermon to King Noah in Mosiah chapters 13-14 is a good example). The first issue of the Evening and Morning Star published a similar description of God, the "Articles and Covenants of the Church of Christ," which was the Church’s first statement of faith and practice. With some additions, the "Articles" became section 20 of the Doctrine and Covenants.

© source where applicable

Before the Reconstruction of Mormon Theology, Mormon leaders taught that God was "Spirit"

[Sparko]

Then you don't believe in a Sovereign God?

erm, I think she is telling us what the LDS believe, not what she believes.

[nrajeff]

erm, I think she is telling us what the LDS believe, not what she believes.

---Then it looks like COW poke has a case of "hoof" in mouth disease. I wonder if he has the "integrity" to admit it.

[Cow Poke]

---Then it looks like COW poke has a case of "hoof" in mouth disease.

I didn't know, Jeff - so I asked. Did you notice a question mark? So, I should apologize for asking a question?
Meanwhile, your snarkiness and pettiness are on parade again.

Perhaps you'd care to answer the question?

I wonder if he has the "integrity" to admit it.

Absolutely! Anywhere Any time!