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  • #46
    Originally posted by Sea of red View Post
    I said these exact same things years ago when Obama spoke at Notre Dame on this forum, so it's not just Coulter.
    You mean Obama couldn't speak because of threats of violence?
    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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    • #47
      ACLU defends Coulter: ‘We must protect speech’

      http://thehill.com/homenews/news/330...protect-speech
      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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      • #48
        Originally posted by seer View Post
        You mean Obama couldn't speak because of threats of violence?
        Holy crap, your reading comprehension is almost as bad as lilpixie or shunya's.

        I was simply stating that Obama shouldn't have spoken at Notre Dame because most of the students there didn't wish to hear him speak.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by seer View Post
          ACLU defends Coulter: ‘We must protect speech’

          http://thehill.com/homenews/news/330...protect-speech
          I thought the ACLU was an awful organization that conservatives hated?

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Sea of red View Post
            I thought the ACLU was an awful organization that conservatives hated?
            They are. They defend free speech so they can peddle pornographic material to kids, not because they want ann coulter to speak in particular.
            "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

            There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Sea of red View Post
              By this logic atheists should be allowed to give sermons at US churches since tax payers basically subsidize them with a free ride.
              Not true, unless you are whining about tax exemption again, which just shows a fundamental lack of understanding of why taxes exist in the first place.

              Those students pay tuition to be there in far larger financial support for the university than she ever will
              It doesn't matter, they're public institutions and subject to the constitution, as it should be. Also, she was invited by a student group so your objection doesn't even make sense.
              "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

              There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Sea of red View Post
                I was simply stating that Obama shouldn't have spoken at Notre Dame because most of the students there didn't wish to hear him speak.
                What? That had had nothing to do with what Gerbil said:

                Attendance for Coulter's speech would be optional.
                Atheists and other views are expressed at Berkeley frequently and on an ongoing basis.

                I think a person can write: "I disagree with speaker X; however, I endorse speaker X's right to free speech without threat of violence."
                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Sea of red View Post
                  It's every bodies fault but Coulters again.

                  She threw the university that invited her and the YAF that got her the gig under the bus, instead of realizing that after years of bashing these institutions and their people, she was finally unwelcome at one of these venues.
                  The issue is more complicated than that. Here's a pretty insightful Reddit comment (it does happen, sometimes):

                  Source: LittleWitchE

                  People here don't seem to understand that Anne Coulter has no rights to use college facilities. That's not what the lawsuit was about.
                  The rights being infringed are those of the student group who invited her. Student organizations cannot be discriminated against at state colleges. One form of discrimination is students must be governed by the same rules. In this case other groups were allowed to host speakers under one set of rules while a different set of rules was being applied to them.
                  The college cannot do that.
                  Imagine for example a conservative southern state university's LGBTQ student group being told they can invite their speaker but they need to pay additional security, only use the smallest room, and do it during a time where nobody can attend. Kind of an 'oh ****' right? Colleges don't need to invite speakers or offer platforms but colleges must treat student groups who do equally.
                  People do not have rights as non students. Even an invited speaker like Ann Coulter if uninvited by the groups who invited her no longer has rights to speak there (outside of the crazy preacher sidewalk areas). The issue is NOT Ann Coulter's right to a platform as she has none in this case. The issue is a student organization's rights that are being infringed.
                  If you see this as Ann Coulter's right to a platform you don't understand the issue
                  . Student groups MUST maintain the rights they have because if they are limited or removed based on situations like this then they will be limited and removed when Trans Speakers are invited to campuses as well with the same exact justifications.

                  © Copyright Original Source



                  https://www.reddit.com/r/news/commen...ulter/dgs6f53/ (If you decide to visit the link I'm not responsible for any vulgarity you might happen upon yada yada....)

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Chrawnus View Post
                    The issue is more complicated than that. Here's a pretty insightful Reddit comment (it does happen, sometimes):

                    Source: LittleWitchE

                    People here don't seem to understand that Anne Coulter has no rights to use college facilities. That's not what the lawsuit was about.
                    The rights being infringed are those of the student group who invited her. Student organizations cannot be discriminated against at state colleges. One form of discrimination is students must be governed by the same rules. In this case other groups were allowed to host speakers under one set of rules while a different set of rules was being applied to them.
                    The college cannot do that.
                    Imagine for example a conservative southern state university's LGBTQ student group being told they can invite their speaker but they need to pay additional security, only use the smallest room, and do it during a time where nobody can attend. Kind of an 'oh ****' right? Colleges don't need to invite speakers or offer platforms but colleges must treat student groups who do equally.
                    People do not have rights as non students. Even an invited speaker like Ann Coulter if uninvited by the groups who invited her no longer has rights to speak there (outside of the crazy preacher sidewalk areas). The issue is NOT Ann Coulter's right to a platform as she has none in this case. The issue is a student organization's rights that are being infringed.
                    If you see this as Ann Coulter's right to a platform you don't understand the issue
                    . Student groups MUST maintain the rights they have because if they are limited or removed based on situations like this then they will be limited and removed when Trans Speakers are invited to campuses as well with the same exact justifications.

                    © Copyright Original Source



                    https://www.reddit.com/r/news/commen...ulter/dgs6f53/ (If you decide to visit the link I'm not responsible for any vulgarity you might happen upon yada yada....)
                    If there was a YEC group demanding Kent Hovind be able to speak to an Earth science class, would you support it? At some point, even a university has to draw a line at what's simply unproductive, and pick and choose who gets such a platform. Personally, I don't like the idea of political pundits going to campuses anyways - conservative or liberal.

                    I really don't get why conservatives are so gung-ho to speak at secular universities. Don't they hate these places, and the people enrolled there? You never really see liberals bothering Christian campuses, demanding they be allowed to speak. In fact, many Christian universities prohibit certain points of view that are seen as 'too liberal' in nature, and have even removed people for going against certain doctrines -- look at Mike Licona. Nobody here really seems to have a problem when Christian schools have had rules against what can and can not be said or advocated, and some even have defended it -- which is a double standard. I know I'm bound to hear "those are private institutions" but many secular schools are, and I believe if this same thing had happened at MIT or Yale, the same people would still be crying fascism.
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                    This simply goes deeper than Ann Coulter being conservative. The truth is Coulter has bashed college campuses, he educators there, and the students that are helping pay her bills basically to listen to her insult them. Sorry, after awhile, free speech or not you're going to wear out your welcome at these kind of places, and that's what Coulter has done. You can't call college kids mooches, socialists, snowflakes, losers, and idiots. Insinuate they and the university are unAmerican and believe all kinds of unAmerican things, and then expect to be welcome at these places forever. I'm sorry but I just can't have sympathy for a person that's done everything in their power to burn their bridges, and mock the very people helping them pay their bills. If that makes me a bad person, or some sort of fascist, then oh well.

                    I've said my peace.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Sea of red View Post
                      If there was a YEC group demanding Kent Hovind be able to speak to an Earth science class, would you support it?
                      I don't live in the US, so whether or not I would support it doesn't matter that much. But no, despite being a YEC myself I would not support Kent Hovind speaking to an Earth science class. If a YEC student group wanted to invite Hovind as a guest speaker outside of the standard curriculum of the university they should be able to do so on the same terms as any other student group.

                      Originally posted by Sea of red View Post
                      At some point, even a university has to draw a line at what's simply unproductive, and pick and choose who gets such a platform. Personally, I don't like the idea of political pundits going to campuses anyways - conservative or liberal.
                      Even if that would discrimination against certain student groups?

                      Originally posted by Sea of red View Post
                      I really don't get why conservatives are so gung-ho to speak at secular universities. Don't they hate these places, and the people enrolled there? You never really see liberals bothering Christian campuses, demanding they be allowed to speak. In fact, many Christian universities prohibit certain points of view that are seen as 'too liberal' in nature, and have even removed people for going against certain doctrines -- look at Mike Licona. Nobody here really seems to have a problem when Christian schools have had rules against what can and can not be said or advocated, and some even have defended it -- which is a double standard. I know I'm bound to hear "those are private institutions" but many secular schools are, and I believe if this same thing had happened at MIT or Yale, the same people would still be crying fascism.
                      I'm not a US conservative myself, so I can't really comment on this.

                      Originally posted by Sea of red View Post
                      This simply goes deeper than Ann Coulter being conservative. The truth is Coulter has bashed college campuses, he educators there, and the students that are helping pay her bills basically to listen to her insult them. Sorry, after awhile, free speech or not you're going to wear out your welcome at these kind of places, and that's what Coulter has done. You can't call college kids mooches, socialists, snowflakes, losers, and idiots. Insinuate they and the university are unAmerican and believe all kinds of unAmerican things, and then expect to be welcome at these places forever. I'm sorry but I just can't have sympathy for a person that's done everything in their power to burn their bridges, and mock the very people helping them pay their bills. If that makes me a bad person, or some sort of fascist, then oh well.
                      This simply doesn't have anything to do with Coulter other than that she happened to be the person who the student group wanted to invite as a speaker. The people who got slighted were the students who invited her.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Sea of red View Post
                        It's every bodies fault but Coulters again.

                        She threw the university that invited her and the YAF that got her the gig under the bus, instead of realizing that after years of bashing these institutions and their people, she was finally unwelcome at one of these venues.
                        wow. So you are excusing the threat of violence by these antifa black bloc terrorists and putting the blame on Coulter?



                        But Officer! It's her fault for making me punch her and burn down the campus! She asked for it!

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Sea of red View Post
                          By this logic atheists should be allowed to give sermons at US churches since tax payers basically subsidize them with a free ride.
                          LOL. The churches pay no income taxes but they also don't get any government money.

                          Those students pay tuition to be there in far larger financial support for the university than she ever will. If they're not interested in hearing somebody come to their university basically just to insult them and the institution, they have a right to request she be denies the platform.

                          Coulter made her bed a long time again.
                          She was INVITED to speak there, so apparently there are students there who are interested in hearing her speak. If other students don't want to hear her, they don't have to listen or go to the event. Same when the university invites a bleeding liberal to speak.

                          I always thought of you as a reasonable person Sea, but you are starting to sound like JimL here, being a shill for the liberals and excusing reprehensible behavior by actually blaming the victims. wow.
                          Last edited by Sparko; 04-27-2017, 07:24 AM.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Sea of red View Post
                            I do not support the threats, but Coulter has been bashing universities for years, yet requests they PAY HER to do to it their face. For once the students said 'no thanks' and everyone is making her into a martyr.
                            The university wasn't paying her, the Republican students who invited her were.

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                            • #59
                              I think Sea of Red is conflating two concepts:

                              1: It is true that if you run around poking your finger in people's eyes that there will be some blowback. Ann Coulter's reception at a place like Berkeley shouldn't be much of a surprise. It would be like a White Supremacist trying to give a speech at a black church: The howls and hoots are to be expected. So yes, in a sense Ann Coulter is getting the kind of response that she's worked very long and hard to receive. She knows she is a provocateur and she knows she evokes strong responses from the unwashed, ignorant bots that protest her speeches.

                              2: It is also true that 'Freedom of Speech' doesn't mean anything at all if the speech has to be agreeable to the audience.

                              I think you could say that Ann Coulter has earned the response she's getting but the response is unlawful (the violence).
                              Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101

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                              • #60
                                It just doesn't stop! I mean how is this not fascist?

                                Portland rose parade canceled after ‘antifascists’ threaten GOP marchers

                                For 10 years, the 82nd Avenue of Roses Business Association has kicked off the city of Portland’s annual Rose Festival with a family-friendly parade meant to attract crowds to its diverse neighborhood.

                                Set to march in the parade’s 67th spot this year was the Multnomah County Republican Party, a fact that so outraged two self-described antifascist groups in the deep blue Oregon city that they pledged to protest and disrupt the April 29 event.

                                Then came an anonymous and ominous email, according to parade organizers, that instructed them to cancel the GOP group’s registration — or else.

                                “You have seen how much power we have downtown and that the police cannot stop us from shutting down roads so please consider your decision wisely,” the anonymous email said, referring to the violent riots that hit Portland after the 2016 presidential election, reported the Oregonian. “This is nonnegotiable.”

                                The email said that 200 people would “rush into the parade” and “drag and push” those marching with the Republican Party.

                                https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.11a0c814ee9b
                                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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