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Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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ACLU defends Coulter: ‘We must protect speech’
http://thehill.com/homenews/news/330...protect-speechAtheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostYou mean Obama couldn't speak because of threats of violence?
I was simply stating that Obama shouldn't have spoken at Notre Dame because most of the students there didn't wish to hear him speak.
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Originally posted by seer View PostACLU defends Coulter: ‘We must protect speech’
http://thehill.com/homenews/news/330...protect-speech
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Originally posted by Sea of red View PostI thought the ACLU was an awful organization that conservatives hated?"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Sea of red View PostBy this logic atheists should be allowed to give sermons at US churches since tax payers basically subsidize them with a free ride.
Those students pay tuition to be there in far larger financial support for the university than she ever will"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Sea of red View PostI was simply stating that Obama shouldn't have spoken at Notre Dame because most of the students there didn't wish to hear him speak.
Attendance for Coulter's speech would be optional.
Atheists and other views are expressed at Berkeley frequently and on an ongoing basis.
I think a person can write: "I disagree with speaker X; however, I endorse speaker X's right to free speech without threat of violence."
Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Sea of red View PostIt's every bodies fault but Coulters again.
She threw the university that invited her and the YAF that got her the gig under the bus, instead of realizing that after years of bashing these institutions and their people, she was finally unwelcome at one of these venues.
https://www.reddit.com/r/news/commen...ulter/dgs6f53/ (If you decide to visit the link I'm not responsible for any vulgarity you might happen upon yada yada....)
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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostThe issue is more complicated than that. Here's a pretty insightful Reddit comment (it does happen, sometimes):
https://www.reddit.com/r/news/commen...ulter/dgs6f53/ (If you decide to visit the link I'm not responsible for any vulgarity you might happen upon yada yada....)
I really don't get why conservatives are so gung-ho to speak at secular universities. Don't they hate these places, and the people enrolled there? You never really see liberals bothering Christian campuses, demanding they be allowed to speak. In fact, many Christian universities prohibit certain points of view that are seen as 'too liberal' in nature, and have even removed people for going against certain doctrines -- look at Mike Licona. Nobody here really seems to have a problem when Christian schools have had rules against what can and can not be said or advocated, and some even have defended it -- which is a double standard. I know I'm bound to hear "those are private institutions" but many secular schools are, and I believe if this same thing had happened at MIT or Yale, the same people would still be crying fascism.
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This simply goes deeper than Ann Coulter being conservative. The truth is Coulter has bashed college campuses, he educators there, and the students that are helping pay her bills basically to listen to her insult them. Sorry, after awhile, free speech or not you're going to wear out your welcome at these kind of places, and that's what Coulter has done. You can't call college kids mooches, socialists, snowflakes, losers, and idiots. Insinuate they and the university are unAmerican and believe all kinds of unAmerican things, and then expect to be welcome at these places forever. I'm sorry but I just can't have sympathy for a person that's done everything in their power to burn their bridges, and mock the very people helping them pay their bills. If that makes me a bad person, or some sort of fascist, then oh well.
I've said my peace.
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Originally posted by Sea of red View PostIf there was a YEC group demanding Kent Hovind be able to speak to an Earth science class, would you support it?
Originally posted by Sea of red View PostAt some point, even a university has to draw a line at what's simply unproductive, and pick and choose who gets such a platform. Personally, I don't like the idea of political pundits going to campuses anyways - conservative or liberal.
Originally posted by Sea of red View PostI really don't get why conservatives are so gung-ho to speak at secular universities. Don't they hate these places, and the people enrolled there? You never really see liberals bothering Christian campuses, demanding they be allowed to speak. In fact, many Christian universities prohibit certain points of view that are seen as 'too liberal' in nature, and have even removed people for going against certain doctrines -- look at Mike Licona. Nobody here really seems to have a problem when Christian schools have had rules against what can and can not be said or advocated, and some even have defended it -- which is a double standard. I know I'm bound to hear "those are private institutions" but many secular schools are, and I believe if this same thing had happened at MIT or Yale, the same people would still be crying fascism.
Originally posted by Sea of red View PostThis simply goes deeper than Ann Coulter being conservative. The truth is Coulter has bashed college campuses, he educators there, and the students that are helping pay her bills basically to listen to her insult them. Sorry, after awhile, free speech or not you're going to wear out your welcome at these kind of places, and that's what Coulter has done. You can't call college kids mooches, socialists, snowflakes, losers, and idiots. Insinuate they and the university are unAmerican and believe all kinds of unAmerican things, and then expect to be welcome at these places forever. I'm sorry but I just can't have sympathy for a person that's done everything in their power to burn their bridges, and mock the very people helping them pay their bills. If that makes me a bad person, or some sort of fascist, then oh well.
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Originally posted by Sea of red View PostIt's every bodies fault but Coulters again.
She threw the university that invited her and the YAF that got her the gig under the bus, instead of realizing that after years of bashing these institutions and their people, she was finally unwelcome at one of these venues.
But Officer! It's her fault for making me punch her and burn down the campus! She asked for it!
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Originally posted by Sea of red View PostBy this logic atheists should be allowed to give sermons at US churches since tax payers basically subsidize them with a free ride.
Those students pay tuition to be there in far larger financial support for the university than she ever will. If they're not interested in hearing somebody come to their university basically just to insult them and the institution, they have a right to request she be denies the platform.
Coulter made her bed a long time again.
I always thought of you as a reasonable person Sea, but you are starting to sound like JimL here, being a shill for the liberals and excusing reprehensible behavior by actually blaming the victims. wow.Last edited by Sparko; 04-27-2017, 07:24 AM.
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Originally posted by Sea of red View PostI do not support the threats, but Coulter has been bashing universities for years, yet requests they PAY HER to do to it their face. For once the students said 'no thanks' and everyone is making her into a martyr.
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I think Sea of Red is conflating two concepts:
1: It is true that if you run around poking your finger in people's eyes that there will be some blowback. Ann Coulter's reception at a place like Berkeley shouldn't be much of a surprise. It would be like a White Supremacist trying to give a speech at a black church: The howls and hoots are to be expected. So yes, in a sense Ann Coulter is getting the kind of response that she's worked very long and hard to receive. She knows she is a provocateur and she knows she evokes strong responses from the unwashed, ignorant bots that protest her speeches.
2: It is also true that 'Freedom of Speech' doesn't mean anything at all if the speech has to be agreeable to the audience.
I think you could say that Ann Coulter has earned the response she's getting but the response is unlawful (the violence).Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101
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It just doesn't stop! I mean how is this not fascist?
Portland rose parade canceled after ‘antifascists’ threaten GOP marchers
For 10 years, the 82nd Avenue of Roses Business Association has kicked off the city of Portland’s annual Rose Festival with a family-friendly parade meant to attract crowds to its diverse neighborhood.
Set to march in the parade’s 67th spot this year was the Multnomah County Republican Party, a fact that so outraged two self-described antifascist groups in the deep blue Oregon city that they pledged to protest and disrupt the April 29 event.
Then came an anonymous and ominous email, according to parade organizers, that instructed them to cancel the GOP group’s registration — or else.
“You have seen how much power we have downtown and that the police cannot stop us from shutting down roads so please consider your decision wisely,” the anonymous email said, referring to the violent riots that hit Portland after the 2016 presidential election, reported the Oregonian. “This is nonnegotiable.”
The email said that 200 people would “rush into the parade” and “drag and push” those marching with the Republican Party.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.11a0c814ee9bAtheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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