Write a Constitution

[rogue06]

It's hard to improve on the Constitution of the United States. Now if only somebody would follow it.

The "in Order to form a more perfect Union" part was always a bit much not to mention rather difficult to achieve.

[Mountain Man]

I think "more perfect" simply means closer to perfection than previous attempts.

[Sparko]

I think "more perfect" simply means closer to perfection than previous attempts.

I want a more perfecter union.

[rogue06]

I want a more perfecter union.

mosterest perfecterest.

[Sparko]

mosterest perfecterest.

that's not even real words.


it's "perfecterated"

[Darth Executor]

the courts have also US decided that the second amendment that says the states can regulate firearms means that the states can't regulate firearms;

The second amendment does not say that states can regulate firearms.

[RumTumTugger]

the courts have also US decided that the second amendment that says the states can regulate firearms means that the states can't regulate firearms;

wrong again Starlight It states that "The rights of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed." state government are not the people they are the servants of the people.

The people means the people not the governement. the constition was framed to put limits on the Government not the people.

Stop trying to teach your grandmother how to suck eggs you don't no jack about America and our Constitution.

With another originalist the court you will soon learn what our Constitution really says. Not that you will accept that since you are not a true scholar.

[Mountain Man]

And he wonders why I laugh at him when he tries to lecture us on US politics.

[Sparko]

And he wonders why I laugh at him when he tries to lecture us on US politics.

Starlight isn't actually that bad -- compared to Tassman.

[seer]

Starlight isn't actually that bad -- compared to Tassman.

Now that is a ringing endorsement!

[Meh Gerbil]

I think if I were to write a constitution it would be close to our current version with the following additions:

1: Judges are not granted the power to change the meaning of words.
2: Judges are not allowed to find rights not explicating stated in this document.
3: Judges cannot take statement in this document and interpret to mean the exact opposite.

I realize that would take all the fun out of being a judge for the entire 9th circuit court and Ruth Ginsburg, but then I'm not too concerned about those people having fun.

[Mountain Man]

Starlight isn't actually that bad -- compared to Tassman.

I... kinda agree... kinda. At least Dimbulb tries to support his arguments even if his sources are often absurdly biased and hilariously wrong. Tassmoron just spouts the latest liberal talking point as if it's an argument in and of itself.

[myth]

I... kinda agree... kinda. At least Dimbulb tries to support his arguments even if his sources are often absurdly biased and hilariously wrong. Tassmoron just spouts the latest liberal talking point as if it's an argument in and of itself.

I think your disrespect of Starlight by using an insulting name is counter productive to the goal having a civilized discussion. It's just uncalled for, particularly when he hasn't been insulting others in this thread.

I usually disagree with Starlight, but he's not an idiot and I actually enjoy seeing him voice his opinions in this forum. It's kind of difficult to have a decent debate around here without reasonably intelligent people who disagree.

Perhaps we could try NOT to drive people of dissenting views away? Thanks.

[Starlight]

The second amendment does not say that states can regulate firearms.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State..."

The historical idea behind the 2nd amendment was that the slave-states were operating militias to keep the slaves from escaping, and that there was a fear that the federal government could possibly pass a ban on firearms as an indirect way to free the slaves. So the 2nd amendment bans the federal government from banning firearms, and says the states can run militias, in order to block that indirect path to banning slavery. Due to the really really dubious legal process called Incorporation, the restrictions on the federal government in the constitution have been gradually reapplied over time by the judiciary to state governments, so now (very recently, as of 2008/2010) the 2nd amendment that originally literally gave the state governments power to "regulate" firearms has been creatively re-interpreted by the judiciary as meaning that state governments can't ban firearms in the same way that the federal government can't ban firearms.

[Mountain Man]

I think your disrespect of Starlight by using an insulting name is counter productive to the goal having a civilized discussion. It's just uncalled for, particularly when he hasn't been insulting others in this thread.

I usually disagree with Starlight, but he's not an idiot and I actually enjoy seeing him voice his opinions in this forum. It's kind of difficult to have a decent debate around here without reasonably intelligent people who disagree.

Perhaps we could try NOT to drive people of dissenting views away? Thanks.

Trust me when I say that my display of calculated contempt is well-deserved.