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    Church & State Case At Supreme Court

    Here is the case in a nut shell:

    Trinity Lutheran Church operates a preschool in Missouri. In 2012, Trinity applied for a playground resurfacing grant from the state. Obtaining the grant would allow Trinity to receive reimbursement for resurfacing its playground with a safer pour-in-place rubber surface made from recycled tires.

    The state awarded 14 grants that year, but while Trinity’s application was ranked 5th out of 44 applications, the church was denied. Missouri determined that its state establishment clause forbids it from providing an available benefit to children—a safe playground surface—simply because the playground is on church property.

    http://www.scotusblog.com/2017/04/ar...theran-merits/
    This looks like religious discrimination to me and the decision could have far reaching consequences.
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    That seems like a no-brainer from a safety point of view-the state has a vested interest in providing a safe environment for children whether or not that environment is held by a religious non-profit or not. I do worry about the "strings-attached" problems that could face religious organizations that accept state or federal money, and who then find themselves forced to accommodate more demands from the government.

    This could go either way, imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guacamole View Post
    That seems like a no-brainer from a safety point of view-the state has a vested interest in providing a safe environment for children whether or not that environment is held by a religious non-profit or not.
    Handle-turning of the Lemon factors, surely? I'd say it passes, but I'm not an activist judge
    Mountain Man destroys his own argument:
    "[Glenn Miller's essay] has more than enough facts and data to support the conclusion that Luke's history was bang-on accurate with regards to who conducted the census and when."
    "...there are historical points on which the Bible can't be tested for one reason or another, for instance, cases where the data is incomplete, such as the Lukan census which has a number of plausible solutions but is, at worst, untestable due to a lack of conclusive evidence."

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    1: The court with rule against the church.
    2: A week later CPS will shut down the church for having an unsafe playground.
    3: Six months later the church will face lawsuits from couples claiming that if they'd of had kids instead of aborting, and if those kids went to that church, and if the kids would have used that playground that the child may have been hurt and those images of hurt children have traumatized them.
    4: The church will lose that lawsuit, go bankrupt, and close down.
    5: The building will be bought by a developer and turned into an art studio that features portraits of animals being molested by bikers.
    6: Everyone will talk about how progressive everything is these days.
    Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meh Gerbil View Post
    1: The court with rule against the church.
    2: A week later CPS will shut down the church for having an unsafe playground.
    3: Six months later the church will face lawsuits from couples claiming that if they'd of had kids instead of aborting, and if those kids went to that church, and if the kids would have used that playground that the child may have been hurt and those images of hurt children have traumatized them.
    4: The church will lose that lawsuit, go bankrupt, and close down.
    5: The building will be bought by a developer and turned into an art studio that features portraits of animals being molested by bikers.
    6: Everyone will talk about how progressive everything is these days.
    That pretty much sums it up!
    "We can understand hell in its aspect of privation. All your life an unattainable ecstasy has hovered just beyond the grasp of your consciousness. The day is coming when you will wake to find, beyond all hope, that you have attained it, or else, that it was within your reach and you have lost it forever.” C.S. Lewis

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy View Post
    Handle-turning of the Lemon factors, surely? I'd say it passes, but I'm not an activist judge
    IANAL, so I dont understand what you mean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by guacamole View Post
    IANAL, so I dont understand what you mean.
    IANALE, but GIMF.
    Mountain Man destroys his own argument:
    "[Glenn Miller's essay] has more than enough facts and data to support the conclusion that Luke's history was bang-on accurate with regards to who conducted the census and when."
    "...there are historical points on which the Bible can't be tested for one reason or another, for instance, cases where the data is incomplete, such as the Lukan census which has a number of plausible solutions but is, at worst, untestable due to a lack of conclusive evidence."

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    I got three things from that article:
    1. Alito is a moron.
    2. The church's lawyer is more competent than the state's lawyer.
    3. I have no idea why the state is fighting the issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychic Missile View Post
    1. Alito is a moron.
    What exactly did he say that was so off the wall?
    "We can understand hell in its aspect of privation. All your life an unattainable ecstasy has hovered just beyond the grasp of your consciousness. The day is coming when you will wake to find, beyond all hope, that you have attained it, or else, that it was within your reach and you have lost it forever.” C.S. Lewis

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