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    Church & State Case At Supreme Court

    Here is the case in a nut shell:

    Trinity Lutheran Church operates a preschool in Missouri. In 2012, Trinity applied for a playground resurfacing grant from the state. Obtaining the grant would allow Trinity to receive reimbursement for resurfacing its playground with a safer pour-in-place rubber surface made from recycled tires.

    The state awarded 14 grants that year, but while Trinity’s application was ranked 5th out of 44 applications, the church was denied. Missouri determined that its state establishment clause forbids it from providing an available benefit to children—a safe playground surface—simply because the playground is on church property.

    http://www.scotusblog.com/2017/04/ar...theran-merits/
    This looks like religious discrimination to me and the decision could have far reaching consequences.
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    That seems like a no-brainer from a safety point of view-the state has a vested interest in providing a safe environment for children whether or not that environment is held by a religious non-profit or not. I do worry about the "strings-attached" problems that could face religious organizations that accept state or federal money, and who then find themselves forced to accommodate more demands from the government.

    This could go either way, imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guacamole View Post
    That seems like a no-brainer from a safety point of view-the state has a vested interest in providing a safe environment for children whether or not that environment is held by a religious non-profit or not.
    Handle-turning of the Lemon factors, surely? I'd say it passes, but I'm not an activist judge
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    1: The court with rule against the church.
    2: A week later CPS will shut down the church for having an unsafe playground.
    3: Six months later the church will face lawsuits from couples claiming that if they'd of had kids instead of aborting, and if those kids went to that church, and if the kids would have used that playground that the child may have been hurt and those images of hurt children have traumatized them.
    4: The church will lose that lawsuit, go bankrupt, and close down.
    5: The building will be bought by a developer and turned into an art studio that features portraits of animals being molested by bikers.
    6: Everyone will talk about how progressive everything is these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meh Gerbil View Post
    1: The court with rule against the church.
    2: A week later CPS will shut down the church for having an unsafe playground.
    3: Six months later the church will face lawsuits from couples claiming that if they'd of had kids instead of aborting, and if those kids went to that church, and if the kids would have used that playground that the child may have been hurt and those images of hurt children have traumatized them.
    4: The church will lose that lawsuit, go bankrupt, and close down.
    5: The building will be bought by a developer and turned into an art studio that features portraits of animals being molested by bikers.
    6: Everyone will talk about how progressive everything is these days.
    That pretty much sums it up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy View Post
    Handle-turning of the Lemon factors, surely? I'd say it passes, but I'm not an activist judge
    IANAL, so I dont understand what you mean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by guacamole View Post
    IANAL, so I dont understand what you mean.
    IANALE, but GIMF.
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    I got three things from that article:
    1. Alito is a moron.
    2. The church's lawyer is more competent than the state's lawyer.
    3. I have no idea why the state is fighting the issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychic Missile View Post
    1. Alito is a moron.
    What exactly did he say that was so off the wall?
    The settled happiness and security which we all desire, God withholds from us by the very nature of the world: but joy, pleasure, and merriment, He has scattered around. We are never safe, but we have plenty of fun, and some ecstasy. It is not hard to see why. The security we crave would teach us to rest our hearts in this world and pose an obstacle to our return to God” C.S. Lewis

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