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Originally posted by JimL View PostWell actually that doesn't make a lick of sense, if all things are nothing more than parts of one and the same thing, all comprised of the same fundamental substance, then that it is omnipresent is just descriptive of the whole. For instance, fundamentally, all things are comprised of energy/matter, and energy/matter, in so far as the universe is infinite, is omnipresent.
You describe the christian god the same way, three gods in one, comprised of many attributes. Attributes are descriptive of the whole, even if the whole can be conceived of as being made of parts.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post
God is omnipresent. That means he is everywhere, in the universe and outside it.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostWhat do you mean by god is outside the universe? The universe is spacial, so your meaning with respect to god being everywhere within space is at least somewhat logical, but that god exists outside of space, as well as inside of space, seems to be a logical contradiction.
Everything we know says the universe is finite in time and space.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostAnd you know this how, exactly?. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostEven scientists admit that there could be other universes or even a metaverse that contains our universe as a bubble, so no, it is not a logical contradiction.
Everything we know says the universe is finite in time and space.
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostWhat definition of God do you understand Christians are working with?Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostSo your assertion is a faith-based belief and not supported by substantive evidence. Why would I as an atheist accept this explanation?
I said "God exists everywhere in the universe, and everywhere outside of the universe. He is not the universe. He existed before the universe was created, and he created it." - describing the Christian (and Jewish and Muslim) belief of Panentheism.
You ask me how I know it. I said "the bible"
Then you say the above.
Well DUH! we are DISCUSSING a faith-based belief. We are discussing what Christians BELIEVE about God. You as an atheist can take that as an accurate description of what Panentheism is and why Christians believe it. You don't have to believe in God to understand the concept of Panentheism.
You seem to get lost in these threads quite easily. Perhaps you should go back and review the last few pages each time before you post. It would make your newest posts not seem so idiotic.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostYes, scientists do think that "there could be other universes" etc but they do not hypothesise that they are anything other than based upon natural laws...even if those laws are different to the natural laws and constants which govern our universe. .
You just confirmed that talking about "outside the universe" is not illogical as JimL said it was. Thank you for agreeing with me.
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Originally posted by Roy View PostA myriad of different ones, which are often interchanged to fit the current need.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostYou ask me how I know it. I said "the bible"
Originally posted by Sparko View Postderp. Again. Pay attention to the conversation before weighing in.
You just confirmed that talking about "outside the universe" is not illogical as JimL said it was. Thank you for agreeing with me.
When dealing with the hypothesised greater cosmos, or multiverse, as you were, there is NO "outside the universe"...the universe is infinite.Last edited by Tassman; 05-25-2017, 11:49 PM.
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